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Upgrade your projector or TV by making it compatible with the latest HDMI/HDCP digital video standards!

The HDfury1 is a revolutionary product that allows you to use the full resolution (up to 1080p) from DVI/HDMI devices on a CRT projector, PC monitor, older HDTV/Plasma TV, or any other device without a DVI/HDMI input! If you own a high quality projector/monitor/TV that does not have a DVI/HDMI connector you need this device! Why buy a new expensive display device when your existing one can already support high definition?

The HDfury1 allows you easily add digital devices such as HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players, PS3, X360 Elite, Satellite/Cable HDTV set-top boxes, HTPCs with HDMI graphic cards, to name a few! Simply plug the HDfury1 into your projector, your DVI/HDMI device into the HDfury, and watch! Installation takes seconds.

The HDfury1 delivers a razor sharp picture with absolutely NO video noise. The picture quality improvement as compared to RGBHV analog video is immediately obvious, providing an amazingly clear and detailed picture!

The HDfury1 was designed by our forum's very own JohnHWMan (John), the designer behind the very popular Sony DVI/HDMI IFB card and Barco BG-DVI DVI/HDMI module.

A quote from John, the developer behind the product:

"The HDFury1 uses the same design as my popular Barco BG-DVI (it uses the same SiI907B chip). Based on my tests, the HDFury1 delivers a picture quality above that of the BG-DVI module (especially at 1080P) due to the higher level of integration. I hope this helps the Barco projector owners that missed the 100 BG-DVI modules I did last year!"

(Of course, the HDfury1 works with *any* display device, not just Barco CRT projectors!)


Reviews/Testimonials

"I am so glad I did my homework and found this device through Curt Palme's site. The HDfury saved me from upgrading to a HDMI projector. I can now take full advantage of the 1080P upscaling for standard DVD on my Samsung Bluray player and my HD movies look absolutely amazing. This is a must have option. I cannot believe how quickly it arrived from Taiwan to Courtice Ontario Canada . 4 Business days! It is simple to setup and works as advertised. I will have to tell everyone about this mini wonder of technology!" - Alan B.

"From what I've been watching and observing with an HDfury/BluRay player so far, the HDfury is a HUGE difference from the previous DVI units. From everything that I could throw through it using the BluRay DVD's that I have, it's flawless. Clean and very tight. Unlike the other DVI units, it's not showing the common color space issues that I've seen on all of them. Nor does it have pedestal problems, which is also a common problem on these devices. The most impressive improvement over the other units, was the linear IRE range. I'm not seeing the usual crushing issue at one end or the other. It's flawless. I'm not a fan of the DVI units: Until yesterday, I've not seen one worth connecting to my projector. Now I'm a complete convert... Kudos!" - CRT Projector guru Mike Parker of MPmods.com

"I ordered one from Curt's site, and got it today. I've got to hand it to ya John, this thing works BEAUTIFULLY!! I hooked up my PS3 to my 24" CRT and it locked on to 1080p FLAWLESSLY! I've never seen such a beautiful image before! Thanks again for a quality product! " - Traxx

"Well, mine has arrived also. It is a little thicker than it looks online. Packaging is very good looking. But, who cares about that? I just want it to work well. And that it does. Mated with the RTC2200 (Crescendo Systems Transcoder which provides a gamma boost) in my set up it was exceptionally clean and sharp. It solves the very slight softening I had with the Ophit. Bottom line, it is excellent. It does what it should and does it exceptionally well. Both Corpse Bride and Riddick HD DVDs were so crisp on my system, no one would ever doubt CRT sharpness if you saw my setup! Thanks John, great work. Excellent product Franck and thanks for the incredible customer service. My opinion if anyone cares: 5 thumbs up!" - Dave (Person99)

"Well I ordered and received my HDfury Gamer Edition about 2 weeks ago. i ordered it late Wednesday night and it arrived on Monday, not bad at all. I hooked it up to my Viewsonic A90 CRT monitor and my PS3 and it worked right off the bat, running at 480p default. I then went into my PS3 options and changed the resolution: I can now run at 1080i! before the HDfury, i was using the composite video cable connected to a tv... looked like garbage. But now, it looks AMAZING. I finally feel like i got my money's worth for my PS3, thanks to the HDfury making it look like its supposed to. With such quick shipping, affordable price, and phenomenal picture, I will be recommending the HDfury to everyone i know who is looking for high definition picture without the massive price tag of a new TV. EXCELLENT product!" - S.B.

See the HDfury customer testimonials thread and the HDfury order page for more testimonials and reviews.


What is included in the package?

HDfury Gamer Edition
  • The HDfury converter embedded in a 6 foot cable with HDMI in and VGA out
HDfury Basic Kit
  • The HDfury converter
  • One analog extender cable (your choice - see below)
HDfury Advanced Kit*
  • The HDfury1 converter
  • One analog extender cable (your choice - see below)
  • 6' HDMI to DVI-D cable
  • Power Supply [wall plug] (uses the 6' USB 5V cable)
  • 6' USB 5V cable
*The Advanced Kit is required if the HDMI/DVI cable is longer than 5m/16' or if the source device is unable to supply adequate power (many source devices do not). Using an external power supply also usually results in a punchier, more dynamic picture. For the best picture quality and future upgradeability, we HIGHLY recommend the advanced kit!


Extender Cables/Extra Cables

Buyers get to choose one of three 10-15cm (4-6") high quality extender cables when ordering:

  • BLUE (HD15 VGA female to HD15 VGA male cable): Choose this if your display device has a standard female VGA connector. Use the cable if there is not enough space to connect the HDfury directly to your display device's VGA connector.

  • GREEN (HD15 VGA female to 5-BNC male cable): Choose this if you wish to use the 5-BNC (RGBHV) input found on your display device. Most CRT projector owners will use this cable. This is custom made cable to ensure that it does not impede performance in any way up to 1080p for HT users. It is very short, gold plated, properly terminated/75 Ohm cable.

  • RED (HD15 VGA female to Barco Port 3 DB9 male cable): Choose this if you wish to use the RGBHV compatible Port 3 DB9 connector of your Barco projector. Click here for information on Barco Port 3 and compatible projectors. This is custom made cable to ensure that it does not impede performance in any way up to 1080p for HT users. It is very short, gold plated, properly terminated/75 Ohm cable. Note: Barco owners may also choose to use the green (5-BNC) cable of course.

The following extra items are included in the Advanced Kit and are also available separately:
  • 6' HDMI to DVI-D cable: Input cable used to connect your source device to the HDFury.
  • Power Supply (wall plug): Available in US, Euro, and UK configurations (Hong Kong coming soon!). Required if the HDMI/DVI cable longer than 5m/16' or if the source device is unable to supply adequate power. The power supply actually uses the 6' USB 5V cable, so total cable length is the same (6').
  • 6' USB 5V cable: Supplies power to the HDfury directly from a USB port found on a PC, PS3, etc. Required if the HDMI/DVI cable longer than 5m/16' or if the source device is unable to supply adequate power.

Here is an example of how to hook up a Blu-ray or HD DVD player to your CRT projector using the HDfury 'Advanced Kit':

Blu-ray player -> HDMI-to-DVI cable (included) -> HDfury with 5-BNC (GREEN) breakout cable -> CRT Projector

Simple!

For more examples of how to hook up the HDfury see the diagrams further below from the back of the BLUE/RED/GREEN edition HDfury packaging.


Specifications

  • INPUT: DVI-D 24p FEMALE Input Port (100% digital) (An HDMI -> DVI-D cable is used to connect to an HDMI source)
  • OUTPUT: RGBHV MALE D-SUB 15 (VGA) Output port (video analog signal, 0,7Vpp over 75 ohms impedance)
  • Directly connects to the VGA input of your display device. A choice of breakout cable is offered at no additional cost if you wish to use BNC's or Barco Port3 (DB9).
  • RGB 4:4:4 (8 bits) digital input (every HDMI source MUST be RGB 4:4:4 compatible)
  • Compatible with non-HDCP or HDCP encrypted sources
  • Compatible with any RGB Display
  • Installs in seconds (Plug&Play)
  • 10 bits 175MHz triple video DAC - Inter-DAC : 2%
  • Ultra short Analog links (<1 cm) on RGB lines for optimal 1080p quality
  • DVI video bandwidth in VGA/RGB outputs: 25-165MHz
  • DVI Data Rate - Bandwidth 1.65 Gbps (Single link)
  • Maximum resolutions: UWXGA (1920x1200) at 60Hz or SXGA (1280x1024) at 85Hz Computer compatible (PC, Mac)
  • Supports *ANY* resolution and refresh rate (as long as you stay below the 165Mhz pixel clock limit). In other words, 1080i/72, 1080i/96, 1080p/60, 720p/60 are all supported as well as 1080p/24Hz. 1080p/72 is just slightly above the 165Mhz limit, but you could reduce the horizontal resolution slightly to 1770x1080@72 at the source or using a scaler. With a good scaler, it is unlikely you would ever notice the 1920->1770 reduction.
  • HDTV ready (480p, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p/48/50/60Hz compatible).
  • DVI1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready
  • HD-DVD and Blue Ray Disc players compatible
  • PS3 and XBox360 Elite compatible
  • HDCP compatible with embedded keys loaded
  • Energy management : DVI et VESA DPMS compatible
  • Ultra low power consumption in Standby (3,5mA)
  • Maximum power : 0.4A under 5V (at 165MHz pixel clock)
  • On-board DC/DC converter (15V to 5V) with extra-low EMI signature
  • The +5VDC power is taken directly from the DVI/HDMI line. The optional +5VDC input may be used by providing an external power supply for HDMI cables that are over 5 meters (16 feet).
  • Blue LED to display active digital link (the HDFury logo lights up!)
  • Low cost solution – Single IC solution
  • Small size : 75x56mm black cabinet (Aluminum/plastic/chrome case)
  • Installation: the HDfury module is DIRECTLY screwed to the back of the display (into the VGA SUB-D plug or into the 5-BNC connectors or Barco DB9 plug by using one of the extender cables)
  • Shortest RGB analog video link as possible
  • HDCP rules compliant as there is no end-user access to decrypted analog video once the unit is screwed in place as this module becomes "a part of the display itself"
  • Professional factory made (mass-production) using pick/place and reflow/wave solder pro equipment.
  • Gold Platted connectors, tracks and material
  • EDID detective feature: The EDID eprom can be reprogrammed by your computer through the graphics card ! (for professional users only)
  • Warranty: 1 year from the manufacturer (see your invoice for contact information)


FAQ

The following is true for all versions of the HDfury1:

  • You cannot use a digital input cable longer than 15 feet without using an HDfury1 power supply.
  • Some sources and receivers will not output enough voltage thus requiring the use of the HDfury1 power supply (no matter how short the digital cable is). The PS3 and Xbox360 are about the only two know sources that supply enough power. A power supply should be used for all other source devices.
  • The HDfury1 analog output cable cannot be longer than the 4-6 inch cable that's included or built in as there is no cable driver in the HDfury to drive longer cables. (If you need a cable driver, see the HDfury2).
  • If you want to use a longer output cable you need to attach the HDFury1 output to something else that DOES have a cable driver or use the HDfury2. Cable driver add-on options include most scaler/doubler RGB passthrough port, Extron boosters, or the RTC2200, RTC2000, Box1020, Box1021, Box1040, TC1600, or TC1500 devices.
The following is only true for the HDfury Gamer Edition:

  • You cannot add a power supply. This is why it is recommended that the Gamer Edition only be used to directly connect a PS3 or XBOX360 to your display. The PS3 and Xbox360 are two sources known to work 100% without a power supply. Most others do not.

What is HDfury ?
The HDfury is a tiny external add-on adapter that is used to add a digital DVI/HDMI input to older display devices without digital inputs so that the newest sources such as HD-DVD/Blu-ray players can used.It is connected to any RGB display through the SUB-D HD15 (VGA) Female Input or RGBHV BNC inputs using an optional extender cable. Once in place the HDfury performs HDCP decryption and HDMI to RGB conversion. You can then connect any HDMI source in full HD 1080p directly to your now "enhanced" display!

Is the actual HDfury device used in the "Basic" and "Advanced" kits the same?
Yes. There is only one type of HDfury converter available. The same one is used in every kit. The various kit only differ in the types of extender cables and accessories offered. If your setup changes and you need a different extender cable or accessory, you may order them separately on the HDfury order page.

What is HDfury 2008 Gamer Edition?
The HDfury 2008 Gamer Edition is an HDfury embedded in a 6 foot HDMI to VGA (male) cable. The gamer edition differs from the Basic and Advanced HDfury kits in that it doesn't have a +5V power input, so it won't be suitable with source that doesn't output enough current on HDMI pin14. Red/Green/Blue extender cables may still be added to the HDfury 2008 Gamer Edition but they must be purchased separately. The Gamer Edition should only be used when connecting a PS3 or XBox360 directly to your display. For all other setups use the Hdfury Advanced Kit.

Why do i need HD (720p) or Full HD (1080p)?
HD-DVD players, Blu-Ray players, HDMI graphic cards, PS3, Xbox 360 Elite are all able to unleash their true potential (720p/1080p mode) only through the HDMI output. If you want a valid ticket to the Full HD world you either need a compatible display (with HDMI input) or a solution for your existing display.

Why do i need a HDCP compliant display?
HDMI is a new standard that comes with a form of hardware protection called HDCP. If your display doesn't have a HDMI input you won't be able to display 720p/1080p signal on it (from HDMI sources). Prior to exchanging Video data, the HDMI source exchanges HDCP keys with HDMI display. Both devices have a special HDCP chip embedded. If your display doesn't include an HDCP chip, even if it's technically able to display 720p or 1080p signal, it will display a BLACK SCREEN. On some devices (ex: Playstation3, Xbox360) 1080p mode is only available through the HDMI output!

Prior the HDfury, what could I do if my display was not HDCP compliant?
You had to either buy a new display with an HDMI input or use a HDCP stripper/converter box which remove HDCP protection and output analog RGB. These boxes have the following issues/problems:
- They need extra wires for the power supply and analog cables.
- Often switches or settings need to be tweaked.
- Quality is limited and restricted because of the longer analog link.
- They are not compliant to HDCP rules as they allow easy access to the decrypted analog video.

What are the advantages of using HDfury?
- HDfury can screw directly to your display therefore (unlike the stripper/converter boxes) it remains compliant to the HDCP rules as it does not allow and end-user easy access to the analog decrypted signal.
- It can therefore be used and sold legally to transform any RGB display into a HDCP compliant display.
- Shortest analog link possible ensures the highest video quality possible!
- Aluminum and gold plated materials.
- It does not require external power supply to operate.

Does the HDfury change the resolution? Upconvert or downcovert?
The HDfury does not change the resolution or refresh rate in any way. It simply converts the digital input signal to an analog RGBHV (VGA) signal. It also provides HDCP decryption if needed. The HDfury outputs whatever resolution you feed it. Absolutely nothing is changed. In other words, if you feed the HDFury a 720p/60Hz digital signal the only thing it will output is a 720p/60Hz analog signal. Feed the HDfury a 1080p/60Hz signal and it'll output a 1080p/60Hz signal... and so on.

What resolutions does the HDfury support?
The HDfury supports any resolution/refresh rate combination (interlaced or progressive) up to 1080p/60Hz. The only limitation is that your display must support the resolution/refresh rate as well.

I use component cables to connect my HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player to my display device and it works just fine! Why do I need HDfury?
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players can also upconvert standard definition DVDs to higher resolutions (720p, 1080i, 1080p), but they only do this via the HDMI outputs (not component). So if you want to get the higher resolution benefits of your player's upconversion circuitry, you're forced to use HDMI. As well, in the future it may not be possible to pass certain high definition content over component video cables. A content flag called the ICT (Image Constraint Token) allows broadcasters and movie studios to limit or "down-res" the HD video signal to standard definition 480P resolution over component video cables. This is not something that has been activated yet, but it could be used at some point in the future. And the most important reason to use HDfury: The picture quality is substantially better! (Sharper/cleaner/less noise/less ringing/etc). Read the reviews above for some examples!

My display has composite (ie: combined) sync with only 4 BNC inputs not 5. (Examples: Barco 7xx/Cine7 or Ampro). What cable do I order? How do I hook it up?
Order the GREEN (5-BNC breakout cable) and combine the H/V sync lines using a $2 BNC T-connector like this. You could also use an Extron 109 or 202 box as well to combine the two sync lines.

My Barco requires negative sync to work. Does the HDfury output negative sync?
The HDfury does not alter the signal that it is fed in any way. If it is fed a negative sync signal, it will output a negative sync signal. If it is fed a positive sync signal, it will output a positive sync signal. You can use boxes from Extron or Altinex to invert the sync if required. To alter the sync to make it work with your projector, add an RTC2200 box to your HDfury setup. It adds many benefits to the HDfury in addition to providing adjustable sync.

I have a scaler or doubler (ex: Lumagen) with DVI inputs and an RGBHV output connected to my display device. I don't need an HDfury right?
Incorrect. You still need the HDfury if you want to use HDMI sources such as HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players that may have HDCP-protected content. The scaler, by law, is not allowed to output content via RGB if the source content is HDCP protected. The scaler will simply TURN OFF its analog RGB output. Only the digital DVI/HDMI outputs will remain on. To solve this, connect the HDfury to the DVI output of your scaler, and then connect the HDfury to your display device. Simple!

I have a scaler or doubler (ex: Lumagen) with DVI inputs and a DVI/HDMI output connected to my display device's DVI input. I don't need an HDfury right?
Maybe. You still need the HDfury if you want to use HDMI sources such as HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players that may have HDCP-protected content *and* your display device does not have an HDMI input. The scaler, by law, must pass the HDCP-protected content all the way to your display device. The display device must decrypt the content. If your display device only has a DVI input, it will not decode HDCP. To solve this, connect the HDfury to the DVI output of your scaler, and then connect the HDfury to your display device. Simple!

I want to connect a longer cable to the output of the HDfury. Can I do that?
No. Keep the analog cable between the HDfury's output and the device it is connected to as SHORT as possible. Only use the HDfury plugged directly into a display device, or use one of the 3 very short (4-6") RED/GREEN/BLUE high quality extender cables that comes with the HDfury. Failing to do so will result in a lesser than optimal image quality. Reason: The HDfury was not built to drive cables as it does not have an output stage. If you can't keep the HDfury close to the display device, no problem! Keep the cable short by plugging it into your scaler passthrough, transcoder with passthrough, your switcher, Extron booster, or any other device with an output stage meant to drive longer cables.
If you want to use a longer output cable to your HDfury (i.e. to keep your existing expensive RGB cables), there are a number of add-on boxes available specifically for this including: RTC2200, RTC2000, Box1020, Box1021, Box1040, TC1600. They add many benefits to the HDfury in addition to providing the ability to drive longer cables.

The specs say that the HDfury draws it's power directly from the DVI/HDMI line but that an optional +5VDC input is provided for HDMI cables that are over 5 meters (16 feet) or if the source device is unable to supply adequate power. What sort of power supply do I need for this? When do I need to use an external power supply?
The DC jack on the side of the HDfury must follow all these requirements:
- Provide REGULATED (+/- 5%) 5VDC power with 0.5A min DC current
- Deliver the power through a small 0.65mm diameter center pin / 2.6mm outer diameter DC plug (like the one often used in cellular phone AC adaptor)
-Provide the correct polarity with 'plus' on the OUTER part of the plug and 'minus' (ground) on the small center pin of the DC jack.
Trying to use an AC/DC adaptor that doesn't follow all these three requirements may destroy the HDFury. This external HDFury powering option is only needed in one or both the following situations:
- The DVI or HDMI cable is using thin gauge copper wires and its length exceeds 5 meters (16 feet).
- The DVI or HDMI source is unable to deliver the 0.5A maximum current over its HDMI or DVI pin #14. This situation often occurs when HDFury is used with cheap DVD/HD players at 1080p60 mode.
Update: The picture quality is often also improved by using an external power supply. Users are reporting that using an external power supply results is a punchier image. For this reason we are highly suggesting that everyone looking for the best image quality possible always order the HDFury Advanced package as it ships with a power supply and some other extras.

Does the HDfury support 1080p/24fps found in next generation HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players?
Yes! The HDfury simply converts the input signal from DVI-D digital to RGBHV analog (and applies HDCP decryption if required). It doesn't change the the resolution or refresh rate - it simply passes it through. As long as you stay under the 1080p/60 bandwidth requirement (ie: the 165Mhz pixel clock rate), it doesn't care what the resolution or refresh rate is.

I connected my HDfury but the image is shifted to the left. How do I fix it?
The picture is shifted to the left is normal when you connect HDfury for the first time. Simply adjust your display's settings to shift the image back. This needs to only be done once. On some European CRT displays you will not be able to shift back far enough because of the US/Euro HD 'porch' differences. If this affects you, switch your source to 60Hz to solve the problem. You can setup a new memory and it won't disturb any of your original settings. As the HDfury comes with his own EDID, you will always have the H position to adjust. For example, you can connect HDfury to your PC VGA screen, and you will see that the first time the picture is shifted to the left. You can then adjust this setting on your PC display, and it will be perfect. If you connect your computer back to the PC VGA screen, the image will centered as before! Your screen / display has memory functions to store your settings depending on the source. There is no other settings to adjust. If you need to shift the image back and cannot do so with your projector, add an Box1020 or Box1040 or TC1600 to your HDfury setup. It adds many benefits to the HDfury in addition to providing image shifting capabilities that are beneficial for some displays.

My picture is cropped (cut off). How do I fix it?
See the last question. The image is likely only shifted slightly. The HDFury doesn't process the incoming digital video stream to 'cut' the image. The HDfury remains synchronous the the pixelclock of the digital video inputed (no process, no frame buffer, ....). It just converts the digital pixel data to analog, nothing else. If the picture is truly cropped, then, this is due to the source device.

My display only has component (YPbPr) inputs and the HDfury output is RGB (VGA). What can I do?
Component (YPbPr) and RGB are not the same thing. You will need to convert RGB to component. There are numerous add-on devices made for the HDfury to convert from component to VGA including the Box1020, TC1500, and TC1600. Many offer additional features such as gamma boost (for perfect shadow details) and cable drivers as well. These products are specifically designed to work with the HDfury.

The black level (brightness) on my display device is constantly changing causing dark and light scenes to change in black level. How do I fix it?
Your display device may have poor black level clamping and you will therefore see this problem with any source device with or without the HDfury. If you have a way of adjusting it, try to adjust the 'Clamp' setting of your display to 'H/C' (horizontal/composite sync) mode rather than 'Auto'. Not all displays will have this setting. Many consumer displays will have this hidden in a service menu.

My projector or display device has a 3-prong power cable with a ground [earth] pin. I've bypassed the the ground pin. Is this a problem?
YES! Not only is this very dangerous to you (the homeowner) you may damage your HDfury and/or your display. Your HDfury warranty is null and void if you bypass the grounding of your display device. Please do not do this! Bypassing ground pins because of ground loop problems, hum problems, or other reasons is very dangerous and only masks the problem. You need to fix the source of the problem. The ground pin is there for your safety and for the safety of your equipment.

I need a longer HDMI->DVI-D or DVI-D->DVI-D cable. Can you recommend one?
Good quality 6' HDMI to DVI-d cables are available on the HDfury order page as part of the Advanced Package and can also be ordered separately. If you need a longer cable Blue Jeans Cables make good quality thicker cables with good shielding (for less loss over long runs). Their thicker cables will be fine for up to 5m/16' with the HDfury without a power supply. If you need a longer cable than that, a power supply may also be orderd on the HDfury order page. Avoid using DVI-to-HDMI adapters as they don't always make good contact. If your source is HDMI, get an HDMI->DVI-D cable.

I'm still getting a black screen from my PS3 when using the HDfury. How can I fix this?
The problem is that you likely connected the HDfury to the HDMI port while the PS3 was still setup to output by another port (component or composite). The result is no picture over HDMI. The PS3 will output low resolution on every output when you reset the display settings this way: PS3 in stand by mode, hold on power for 5 sec until you heard 3 beeps.
The PS3 restarts and you can than access low resolution through both HDMI and/or other ports and perform the display test to choose your preferred resolution.

I need a different extender cable or want to buy some extra cables or power supply. Can I do this?
Yes! Anyone may order BLUE/GREEN/RED extender cables, power supplies, or HDMI-to-DVI cables separately on the HDfury order page. In fact, many people order the VGA to BNC breakout (GREEN) cable to use in other applications as it's a very good quality short cable. is All orders include at least one free 6' USB 5V cable for powering the HDfury from any USB port.

Is there any way to add a gamma adjustment to the HDfury to get absolutely perfect shadow details?
Yes! There are a number of add-on boxes to provide gamma boost to the HDfury including: RTC2200, Box1020, Box1021, Box1040, TC1600. These boxes ad many benefits to the HDfury in addition to providing gamma adjustment.

I can only get lower resolutions to work. When I set my source to high resolutions like 1080p I don't get an image!
(1) Your source device likely doesn't provide enough power to the HDfury. Make sure to use the HDfury power supply and ensure that your display supports 1080p FULLHD if you want to use 1080p.
(2) Many TVs do not support 1080p and must be fed a 1080i signal instead. Make sure to set your source to 1080i unless your display's manual specifically states that it supports 1080p.

The picture is blank! I don't get an image at all from my PS3, Blu-ray player, or other source!
(1) Make sure your display supports the resolution the source is feeding it. If your TV does not support 1080p, set your sources to 1080i. Some sources will automatically use the highest resolution available to them based on what they see connected, and since they see the HDfury which supports 1080p FULL HD, the source will 'think' you have a 1080p capable TV and is most likely feeding the HDfury a 1080p signal. You need to lower this to 1080i in the source device.
(2) Make sure that the 24fps output option in the source device is set to OFF or DISABLED and not AUTOMATIC unless your TV specifically supports 24fps. Most do not, especially older TVs that do not have HDMI inputs.
(3) Make sure you're using the HDfury power supply.

I'm still getting a black screen from my PS3 when using the HDfury. How can I fix this?
The problem is that you likely connected the HDfury to the HDMI port while the PS3 was still setup to output by another port (component or composite). The result is no picture over HDMI. The PS3 will output low resolution on every output when you reset the display settings this way: PS3 in stand by mode, hold on power for 5 sec until you heard 3 beeps.
The PS3 restarts and you can than access low resolution through both HDMI and/or other ports and perform the display test to choose your preferred resolution.

On my PS3 I can see the menu, play games and blu-ray discs, but I get a blank screen or an out of range error message when I play a DVD
You need to change a setting in your PS3: In addition to setting up the HDMI resolution on the PS3 as outlined above, you also have to go under the Blu-Ray playback settings and adjust the DVD upscale feature because by default it will also be 1080p.

Another hint:

When you first connect an HDfury device to the PS3 (such as the original HDfury, HDfury Gamer Edition, or the HDFury2) the PS3 will ask: "A new HDMI device has been detected, do you want to use it?"

Answer 'YES' ONLY if your TV is 1080p capable.

Otherwise answer 'NO', and you will be presented with another screen where you will be able to change the resolution settings and set them manually to whatever your TV supports.



Glossary

  • DRM: Digital Restrictions Management - technology to restrict what you can do with media you purchase
  • AACS: Advanced Access Content System - the DRM infection used for both Blu-ray and HD-DVD
  • BD+: An addition to AACS for Blu-ray discs, that provides additional restrictions to what you can do
  • HDCP: High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection - Encryption of data over digital connections
  • HDMI: High Definition Multimedia Interface - A digital connection found on most new HDTV's, all HDCP compliant
  • DVI: Digital Visual Interface - Precursor to HDMI, found on many older HDTV's. However, many DVI connections are not HDCP compliant, making them worthless for Blu-ray and HD-DVD playback without a device such as the HDfury
  • ICT: Image Constraint Token - Downsamples HD output to standard resolution when hooked up over analog (component) cables



Pictures/Videos/Screenshots


Video: Connecting a Playstation3 to a monitor without an HDMI input using the HDfury! (length: 5:05, .WMV format, 27mb)


Click here for HDfury screenshots


How to hook up the BLUE edition (VGA extender cable) HDfury:



How to hook up the RED edition (Barco DB9 extender cable) HDfury:



How to hook up the GREEN edition (5-BNC extender cable) HDfury:



The HDfury converter. The window lights up in blue when the device is working:



Inside view of the HDfury (prototype):



Another inside view of the HDfury showing the final purple circuit board with Gold plated tracks and connectors:



HDfury BLUE (VGA) edition in packaging:


HDfury BLUE (VGA) edition in packaging:




HDfury US power supply (wall plug). Required if the HDMI/DVI cable is longer than 5m/16' or if the source device is unable to supply adequate power. (The power supply uses the USB 5V cable to connect to the HDfury):


HDfury EURO power supply (wall plug):


HDfury UK power supply (wall plug):


HDfury 6' USB 5V cable. Supplies power to the HDfury directly from a USB port found on a PC, PS3, etc. Required if the HDMI/DVI cable is longer than 5m/16' or if the source device is unable to supply adequate power:


HDfury orders ready to go out :


HDfury 2008 Gamer Edition next to the standard HDfury:


HDfury 2008 Gamer Edition close up:


HDfury 2008 Gamer Edition packaging:



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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal,
"EDID detective feature: The EDID eprom can be reprogrammed by your computer through the graphics card ! (for professional users only)"

I would like to know more about this. Doug
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oooh, another new forum.Very Happy


I do need to get one of these.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, first question.

Since all the other sites are selling them for $119 and the designer on this site has sayed they are $119.
Why the $149 sticker price? I assume its all shipping.
is there a cheaper shipping option?
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joust I wouldn't say all the other sites are selling them for 119, of the few places I have seen them available for preorder, several of them have raised the price up to atleast 129, except for one place that still has them at 119, but none of the other site have any mention of the add on cable and thats probably where the few dollar difference is along with the cost of shipping thats not included in that 119. Whatever the case when I order one Id rather support this site and know that I can be assured of getting the product, instead of some internet site located who knows where.


Also Kal has there been any thought to adding a hdmi to dvi adapter as an add on option, I would guess most people would rather run an hdmi cable rather than a DVI one just for the ease of the smaller size for pulling thru the wall/ceiling ect... I know there available all over, but just a thought
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dbaisey wrote:
Kal,
"EDID detective feature: The EDID eprom can be reprogrammed by your computer through the graphics card ! (for professional users only)"

I would like to know more about this. Doug

I'll ask Doug - I was curious about this myself. I'll see if I can get John wants to chime in himself (since he's the one that actually designed it)! Smile


Joust wrote:
Since all the other sites are selling them for $119 and the designer on this site has sayed they are $119.
Why the $149 sticker price? I assume its all shipping.
is there a cheaper shipping option?

The retail price is 89 GBP, 129 EUR, or $175 USD.

The price varies wildly by how many the reseller wishes to order. See here for a breakdown.

I did a google search and here are the first hits:

Rejoy.se: 130 EUR ($175 USD) before shipping.
www.divineo.co.uk: $148 USD before shipping.
www.jvbdigital.com: $175 USD before shipping.
www.divineo.cn: $129 USD before shipping

"all the other sites" selling at $119 is unfortunately not true.

Shipping here is approx $20 because the manufacturer will be using fast 2-4 day priorty shipping with a tracking number. No other options are available. Sorry. This is by far the safest option.

Buy through curtpalme.com and you'll be supported directly by the manufacturer instead of having to try to deal with the reseller (I haven't heard of any of the other sites selling this thing but then, I'm not really a gamer). Not to mention you're directly supporting the upkeep of this forum/website as well. Smile

In the end, it's your choice. If you think you can save $10 by buying elsewhere, go for it, though nobody else is taking pre-orders with different cable options from what I can tell...


redcorvette_85 wrote:
Also Kal has there been any thought to adding a hdmi to dvi adapter as an add on option, I would guess most people would rather run an hdmi cable rather than a DVI one just for the ease of the smaller size for pulling thru the wall/ceiling ect... I know there available all over, but just a thought

Good question - As you mentioned, they're so wildly available for only a few dollars that that's probably the reason. I know I've got a few in the back room that were shipped with my various electronic devices...

Kal

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any pictures of the BNC version?
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

grae wrote:
Are there any pictures of the BNC version?

No, not yet - sorry. As soon as new pictures become available I will be adding them here.

Kal

P.S. Thanks for the order. Smile

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a way to order this without a credit card or paypal?

Paying for things outside of Australia is difficult sometimes.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ordered mine . Now has anyone got any good ideas for a bullet proof HDMI switcher ? Seems like 5x1 w/remote should connect all the goodies . Has anyone used the Monoprice or gefen with a CRT ?
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read the mono-price switchers are good.

Haven't got multiple HDMI sources myself yet though.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monoprice direct from their website ( http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10110&style= ) is cheaper than their monoprice.com eBay account.
Their cable selection is also pretty cheap! Now, if there could (finally) be a victor in the damn BR/HD-DVD war I could get on with (my HT) life!

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Lister wrote:
Is there a way to order this without a credit card or paypal? Paying for things outside of Australia is difficult sometimes.

Sorry no - there's no other ways to order at this time. Remember that you're ordering from a large company here so credit card is the most likely way you'd order.

Credit Cards are accepted in over 190 countries, including Australia, so you shouldn't have a problem ordering.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just ordered one as well. Kal did they tell you when they will begin shipping?


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DB Cooper wrote:
Just ordered one as well. Kal did they tell you when they will begin shipping?

Yup! It's right on the page where you clicked to buy it! Smile

Blue (VGA cable): Late May (most likely Tuesday)
Green (5BNC) and Red (Barco Port 3): 3 weeks from now (Mid-June).

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How is it compared to Moome's card? I have an XG with Moome's card. It works fine except two problems which I can bear. One is when I unplug my AC power from XG, replug AC into XG, and power XG up, my XG will shut down. I have power my XG on first and then plug HDMI source in. Another is there is a very faint strait vertical line across the screen. I have adjust the horizontal shift control to make outside the picture, so I have limit horizontal shift control to use.
If HDFURY picture quality is better than Moome's, I would consider to change one.

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PostLink    Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Lister wrote:
Is there a way to order this without a credit card or paypal?

Paying for things outside of Australia is difficult sometimes.


No it's not, you use Paypal or a Credit card.
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PostLink    Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the different versions "Red,Green &Blue" just differentiated by the cable that comes with the HD Fury?
If so will there be an option of buying an additional cable if we change from a Barco to a Marquee etc?
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PostLink    Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggy wrote:
Are the different versions "Red,Green &Blue" just differentiated by the cable that comes with the HD Fury?

Yes

Baggy wrote:
If so will there be an option of buying an additional cable if we change from a Barco to a Marquee etc?

Not at this time, though both the Blue (VGA) and Green (5BNC breakout) cables are very common and can be bought elsewhere. I've been told that these cables are high quality (not mass market ones), so be careful if you do decide to buy a different cable somewhere else...

The Red (Barco Port 3) is the only cable that a 'speciality' cable, though there are forum members that sell it (Chuchuf for one) and some choose to make their own by following this pinout.

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PostLink    Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kal wrote:
DB Cooper wrote:
Just ordered one as well. Kal did they tell you when they will begin shipping?

Yup! It's right on the page where you clicked to buy it! Smile

Blue (VGA cable): Late May (most likely Tuesday)
Green (5BNC) and Red (Barco Port 3): 3 weeks from now (Mid-June).

Kal


Damn, didn't see that or I would have ordered the one shipping soonest. I already have plenty of different breakout cables.

Once I do get this MP and I will be checking it out and most likely put a 1.4 on it for longer cable runs. That way we can keep it at the rack(in a switcher) and use the RGBHV cables that are already run.


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