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Curt Palme
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gjaky
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| redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: |
What a f***en load of s***. There most certainly is proof, unless you want to call Mike Eby, Mark AW, and Doug Baisey liars too?? |
Well show the proof. Your clame about the bandwidth of the xg is just as trustworthy as the clame you made for the 909 that turned out te be using the wrong testimages and what more. I see no reason why you used the right images on the xg. |
I never tested the XG and never posted test images from it either.
Use the search button and youll be amazed what youll find about just how much better the XG is compared to any other unmodded 8 inch machine out there, a few years ago when such experts in the field as Doug and Mark were around, they did many tests. The results mustve been good enough for them, as I see no documentation indicating they managed to improve the sets with any mods.
You saw one test from Gabor's XG that isn't working properly, and it was infact him that reposted the image of Mike's bone stock XG perfectly showing 1920x1080 at 72Hz.
And you know all too well I could care less if you call me a liar, but to make such statements as "the XG has terrible bandwidth" when you clearly haven't done any searching and have no idea what youre on about is not ideal is it. |
Well I read in Gabors thread that he beleived that he had 6 bad neckboards with no explanation beside the boards marerial being wrong that was very unlikely and I asked him why do you think these neckboards can do high bandwidth? He said Casey showed a picture. Now I do no know for a fact your pictures are wrong so you made him jump through a lot of sh*t. But please point me to Mike picture but no you are not feeling well and don't have the time to point me to Mike picture that is probable about a dog pissing i the yard or something but not about bandwidth 
But ok lets rephrase. At the least 2 out of 3 XG's have terrible bandwidth so the chances are high your XG will have terrible bandwidth. |
Case never supplied me any pictures showing bandwidth shots from the XG, and I never referenced him he did, nor he pushed me to invest a heap of money in it. 
It was Mike Eby that showed test patterns in an old thread off his (exactly same model as mine) XG at 1080p 72Hz, and yes, that looked way much better than mine.
Mike Parker spent quite some time on XG looking for improvements, if someone he surely would have noticed if there was a global problem with XGs, but he happened to find a few small mods only...
I looked up the Mike Eby threads with the screenshots:
first
second
I found the second thread much later, only when I was already deep in my XG problem, as you can notice the screenshot looks much better in the first thread, but all must have to admit, that the second one isn't that bad for 1080P 72Hz either, and all of those screenshots (including the 9PG+) looking better than my XG. So my machine really has problems, period
I have spent already at least 20+ work hours chasing the bandwidth problem of my XG and I can say I narrowed down the problem quite consequently. Unfortunately, I did not have the time and money (and luck with cheap parts to obtain) to pursue it further lately, but it is definitely on my 'to do' list.
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dentree
Joined: 01 May 2009
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Location: Melbourne Australia
TV/Projector: BARCO GRAPHICS 808 BARCO GRAPHICS 801
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Hi Curt,
Glad you have seen some of these posts with regard to he Cine 8, if you have followed much of it, do you think the line of reasoning and suggestions put forward is in any way flawed, or do you have any additional thoughts you would like to throw into the mix?
Also if i have your attention, do you have a suitable Quadroupler and a splitter for the Cine 8 and/or the Graphics 808 should they prove to be defective during this process of elimination
Many thanks for your time
Trevor
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| dentree wrote: | Having one good Quad is just a bit of a pain if I have to keep swapping it between the BG 808 and the Cine 8 to try things, so I was thinking about what you said about swapping boards around between the two, the fact that the Cine 8 is showing a scan fail fault, if I were to sytematicaly put each of the boards from the Cine 8 into the BG 808 one at a time, eventually one of the boards from the CINE will produce the same scan fail message on the BG808, that then I assume then indicates which of the CINE boards is faulty. that would then take care of that question as to which board is bad.
If that situation can be achieved, then maybe I should then take the splitter out of the CINE 8 and put it into the BG 808 and watch the focus (which if you remember was the prime reason for me wanting to change to the Cine 8)
If that holds up the we must assume that apart from the wear on the BG 808 green gun the tube itself is still OK, if
that comes to pass then I would need to swap the Quad and splitter back into the Cine 8 and put the then known good BG 808 board into the Cine 8, all things being equal the Cine 8 should fire up and stabilize, will still of course have the original focusing problem on the Cine 8, but at least I will know what I need to buy,.......on the other hand if the splitter from the BG 808 is bad(giving me my soft focus on the BG 808 green gun (after an hour or so) then at turn on there might be an indication on the Cine 8 with regard to it's focusing issue, if focus can be achieved at anything other than ZERO then that should also tell a story, ............ this getting very convoluted isn't it?
I quite like the challenge though just trying to get my head around all this great interest and advice from all you guys.
Oh yes thanks for the very kind offer to call you, I have no doubt I will take you up on the offer, and just out of curiosity whereabouts in Q'land are you, we do get up there on occasion as my stepson lives on Russell Island (there again Queensland is a pretty big state) |
Im up on the sunshine coast mate, if you ever get up this way, youre most welcome to come and see how a Cine 9 looks
Taking the splitter from the Cine 8 and putting it into the known working 808 may be a pretty good idea, and the only thing youre losing is a bit of free time. I dont know if a splitter can cause a scan fail or not.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| gjaky wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: |
What a f***en load of s***. There most certainly is proof, unless you want to call Mike Eby, Mark AW, and Doug Baisey liars too?? |
Well show the proof. Your clame about the bandwidth of the xg is just as trustworthy as the clame you made for the 909 that turned out te be using the wrong testimages and what more. I see no reason why you used the right images on the xg. |
I never tested the XG and never posted test images from it either.
Use the search button and youll be amazed what youll find about just how much better the XG is compared to any other unmodded 8 inch machine out there, a few years ago when such experts in the field as Doug and Mark were around, they did many tests. The results mustve been good enough for them, as I see no documentation indicating they managed to improve the sets with any mods.
You saw one test from Gabor's XG that isn't working properly, and it was infact him that reposted the image of Mike's bone stock XG perfectly showing 1920x1080 at 72Hz.
And you know all too well I could care less if you call me a liar, but to make such statements as "the XG has terrible bandwidth" when you clearly haven't done any searching and have no idea what youre on about is not ideal is it. |
Well I read in Gabors thread that he beleived that he had 6 bad neckboards with no explanation beside the boards marerial being wrong that was very unlikely and I asked him why do you think these neckboards can do high bandwidth? He said Casey showed a picture. Now I do no know for a fact your pictures are wrong so you made him jump through a lot of sh*t. But please point me to Mike picture but no you are not feeling well and don't have the time to point me to Mike picture that is probable about a dog pissing i the yard or something but not about bandwidth
But ok lets rephrase. At the least 2 out of 3 XG's have terrible bandwidth so the chances are high your XG will have terrible bandwidth. |
Case never supplied me any pictures showing bandwidth shots from the XG, and I never referenced him he did, nor he pushed me to invest a heap of money in it.
It was Mike Eby that showed test patterns in an old thread off his (exactly same model as mine) XG at 1080p 72Hz, and yes, that looked way much better than mine.
Mike Parker spent quite some time on XG looking for improvements, if someone he surely would have noticed if there was a global problem with XGs, but he happened to find a few small mods only...
I looked up the Mike Eby threads with the screenshots:
first
second
I found the second thread much later, only when I was already deep in my XG problem, as you can notice the screenshot looks much better in the first thread, but all must have to admit, that the second one isn't that bad for 1080P 72Hz either, and all of those screenshots (including the 9PG+) looking better than my XG. So my machine really has problems, period
I have spent already at least 20+ work hours chasing the bandwidth problem of my XG and I can say I narrowed down the problem quite consequently. Unfortunately, I did not have the time and money (and luck with cheap parts to obtain) to pursue it further lately, but it is definitely on my 'to do' list. |
Thanks for taking the time to clear that up Gábor, and also for adding the bit about Mike Parker, i didnt know that part, and the fact he found only small improvements only goes to show just what a brilliant machine the NECs are right out of the crate.
Its a shame that set of yours is not running as it should, id love to see what you could do with it, especially being a very big fan of NEC projectors and their direct view CRTs such as the XM29 etc. Would still love to see you tackle a 9" conversion on that XG, i know youve got the skill!!
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redfox001
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| gjaky wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: |
What a f***en load of s***. There most certainly is proof, unless you want to call Mike Eby, Mark AW, and Doug Baisey liars too?? |
Well show the proof. Your clame about the bandwidth of the xg is just as trustworthy as the clame you made for the 909 that turned out te be using the wrong testimages and what more. I see no reason why you used the right images on the xg. |
I never tested the XG and never posted test images from it either.
Use the search button and youll be amazed what youll find about just how much better the XG is compared to any other unmodded 8 inch machine out there, a few years ago when such experts in the field as Doug and Mark were around, they did many tests. The results mustve been good enough for them, as I see no documentation indicating they managed to improve the sets with any mods.
You saw one test from Gabor's XG that isn't working properly, and it was infact him that reposted the image of Mike's bone stock XG perfectly showing 1920x1080 at 72Hz.
And you know all too well I could care less if you call me a liar, but to make such statements as "the XG has terrible bandwidth" when you clearly haven't done any searching and have no idea what youre on about is not ideal is it. |
Well I read in Gabors thread that he beleived that he had 6 bad neckboards with no explanation beside the boards marerial being wrong that was very unlikely and I asked him why do you think these neckboards can do high bandwidth? He said Casey showed a picture. Now I do no know for a fact your pictures are wrong so you made him jump through a lot of sh*t. But please point me to Mike picture but no you are not feeling well and don't have the time to point me to Mike picture that is probable about a dog pissing i the yard or something but not about bandwidth
But ok lets rephrase. At the least 2 out of 3 XG's have terrible bandwidth so the chances are high your XG will have terrible bandwidth. |
Case never supplied me any pictures showing bandwidth shots from the XG, and I never referenced him he did, nor he pushed me to invest a heap of money in it.
It was Mike Eby that showed test patterns in an old thread off his (exactly same model as mine) XG at 1080p 72Hz, and yes, that looked way much better than mine.
Mike Parker spent quite some time on XG looking for improvements, if someone he surely would have noticed if there was a global problem with XGs, but he happened to find a few small mods only...
I looked up the Mike Eby threads with the screenshots:
first
second
I found the second thread much later, only when I was already deep in my XG problem, as you can notice the screenshot looks much better in the first thread, but all must have to admit, that the second one isn't that bad for 1080P 72Hz either, and all of those screenshots (including the 9PG+) looking better than my XG. So my machine really has problems, period
I have spent already at least 20+ work hours chasing the bandwidth problem of my XG and I can say I narrowed down the problem quite consequently. Unfortunately, I did not have the time and money (and luck with cheap parts to obtain) to pursue it further lately, but it is definitely on my 'to do' list. |
Ok thanks for sharing. As you said the second one show much lower bandwidth than the first so probable the first one is an error? It does proof the point that the XG does not have an exeptionally high bandwidth as I said in my first comment that upset C so much. I had an PG and it was a hell of a CRT we should take this discussion to another thread and keep this one on Cine 8 and stop the infantile insults that I did not parttake on by the way. I just did not agree with the advise given.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| dentree wrote: | Hi Curt,
Glad you have seen some of these posts with regard to he Cine 8, if you have followed much of it, do you think the line of reasoning and suggestions put forward is in any way flawed, or do you have any additional thoughts you would like to throw into the mix?
Also if i have your attention, do you have a suitable Quadroupler and a splitter for the Cine 8 and/or the Graphics 808 should they prove to be defective during this process of elimination
Many thanks for your time
Trevor |
Have no fear about Curt's attention Trevor, he loves the drama He thinks im madder than a cut snake, he wont say much, but he knows i have my moments when i shine 
The thing about this is here Trevor, and back to serious now, short od sending items to Curt for him to test, youre left with trial and error, and you know as well as i do how bloody expensive postage is in Australia.
And even though Curt tells people he makes mistakes, every long term member here knows that is bull**** The fact is though he keeps this hobby alive for many of us, there is very few others in this world you could ever contact and say "send me a **** for a **** projector"... He allows those of us with a bit of know how to get to where we can be on our own, and helps us out along the way.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| redfox001 wrote: | | gjaky wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: |
What a f***en load of s***. There most certainly is proof, unless you want to call Mike Eby, Mark AW, and Doug Baisey liars too?? |
Well show the proof. Your clame about the bandwidth of the xg is just as trustworthy as the clame you made for the 909 that turned out te be using the wrong testimages and what more. I see no reason why you used the right images on the xg. |
I never tested the XG and never posted test images from it either.
Use the search button and youll be amazed what youll find about just how much better the XG is compared to any other unmodded 8 inch machine out there, a few years ago when such experts in the field as Doug and Mark were around, they did many tests. The results mustve been good enough for them, as I see no documentation indicating they managed to improve the sets with any mods.
You saw one test from Gabor's XG that isn't working properly, and it was infact him that reposted the image of Mike's bone stock XG perfectly showing 1920x1080 at 72Hz.
And you know all too well I could care less if you call me a liar, but to make such statements as "the XG has terrible bandwidth" when you clearly haven't done any searching and have no idea what youre on about is not ideal is it. |
Well I read in Gabors thread that he beleived that he had 6 bad neckboards with no explanation beside the boards marerial being wrong that was very unlikely and I asked him why do you think these neckboards can do high bandwidth? He said Casey showed a picture. Now I do no know for a fact your pictures are wrong so you made him jump through a lot of sh*t. But please point me to Mike picture but no you are not feeling well and don't have the time to point me to Mike picture that is probable about a dog pissing i the yard or something but not about bandwidth
But ok lets rephrase. At the least 2 out of 3 XG's have terrible bandwidth so the chances are high your XG will have terrible bandwidth. |
Case never supplied me any pictures showing bandwidth shots from the XG, and I never referenced him he did, nor he pushed me to invest a heap of money in it.
It was Mike Eby that showed test patterns in an old thread off his (exactly same model as mine) XG at 1080p 72Hz, and yes, that looked way much better than mine.
Mike Parker spent quite some time on XG looking for improvements, if someone he surely would have noticed if there was a global problem with XGs, but he happened to find a few small mods only...
I looked up the Mike Eby threads with the screenshots:
first
second
I found the second thread much later, only when I was already deep in my XG problem, as you can notice the screenshot looks much better in the first thread, but all must have to admit, that the second one isn't that bad for 1080P 72Hz either, and all of those screenshots (including the 9PG+) looking better than my XG. So my machine really has problems, period
I have spent already at least 20+ work hours chasing the bandwidth problem of my XG and I can say I narrowed down the problem quite consequently. Unfortunately, I did not have the time and money (and luck with cheap parts to obtain) to pursue it further lately, but it is definitely on my 'to do' list. |
Ok thanks for sharing. As you said the second one show much lower bandwidth than the first so probable the first one is an error? It does proof the point that the XG does not have an exeptionally high bandwidth as I said in my first comment that upset C so much. I had an PG and it was a hell of a CRT we should take this discussion to another thread and keep this one on Cine 8 and stop the infantile insults that I did not parttake on by the way. I just did not agree with the advise given. |
You didnt agree with the advice given because A: you have an issue with me and expect i should prove myself to you, and B: you have no experience with an XG and didnt bother to do hours of research to find the facts. You just shot your mouth off and said XGs have terrible bandwidth.
The comments made by you have little impact on me, they certainly dont upset me, but you should know by now posting such a comment about a machine its clear you have no experience with is going to cause you issues. And it did.
What i found really quite annoying is you STILL want to claim i cost you a fortune, but then you attempt to further add i also did it to others.
As for infantile insults, you knew exactly where it was headed the minute you posted, and you knew exactly the result youd get out of me by claiming i cost people money. You cost yourself money. Be a man, and LIVE WITH IT.
Im far from being an unreasonable bloke, and i do a hell of alot to help alot of people when and where i can, but alot of your comments lately have given me cause to rethink that, especially the ones about my health issues being a copout to help me slink off into the distance without anyone questioning my integrity. Question it all ya like, but get your facts right first.
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in the other thread from Gjaky he wrote:
| Quote: | | Casethecorvetteman assured that his XG852 isn't doing anything like mine |
But it turns out MikeEby has posted the pictures and probable make a mistake. As you faked 1:1 for the 909 before i guessed you where the source my appologies for that misunderstanding. I have nothing against you as a persn i just wite the truth.
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gjaky
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| redfox001 wrote: | in the other thread from Gjaky he wrote:
| Quote: | | Casethecorvetteman assured that his XG852 isn't doing anything like mine |
But it turns out MikeEby has posted the pictures and probable make a mistake. As you faked 1:1 for the 909 before i guessed you where the source my appologies for that misunderstanding. I have nothing against you as a persn i just wite the truth. |
Hold on for a minute, I had two problems with the XG. One was the bandwidth thing, that is harder to spot, the other was the content-dependant overpeaking issue, which is much easier to spot -and to which I was referring in the above mentioned quote. I found out the cause of that issue, but maybe that isn'T independent from the bandwidth problem.
For the overpeaking issue check here or there.
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| dentree wrote: | | Would a faulty splitter cause the scan fail LED to activate? |
I think the scan fail LED might be activated because the power is to low for the horizontal scan board. That board will shut down the machine with to low power because a scan fail would cause spot burn.
So my guess is to check the smps first. Now I do not know if the 808 smps is compatible with the cine 8 smps. I think the cine 8 has a power factor corrector board next to it but they might be different. If not the smps is the first board to try and exchange.
If it is the smps than it might be simple the 17 V that is adjusted wrong. It should be adjusted with an internal 32khz signal contrast and brightness to 50 and than 17,0V for the cine 8 and 808.
Looking t the pictures from a 808 the smps are the same.
Also look at the tutorial here:
http://www.curtpalme.com/Barco808_Layout1.shtm
There is a lot of information on the common failures of a 808. The horizontal or vertical scanboard is of cause another suspect.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| gjaky wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | in the other thread from Gjaky he wrote:
| Quote: | | Casethecorvetteman assured that his XG852 isn't doing anything like mine |
But it turns out MikeEby has posted the pictures and probable make a mistake. As you faked 1:1 for the 909 before i guessed you where the source my appologies for that misunderstanding. I have nothing against you as a persn i just wite the truth. |
Hold on for a minute, I had two problems with the XG. One was the bandwidth thing, that is harder to spot, the other was the content-dependant overpeaking issue, which is much easier to spot -and to which I was referring in the above mentioned quote. I found out the cause of that issue, but maybe that isn'T independent from the bandwidth problem.
For the overpeaking issue check here or there. |
Ok clear so Casey was responding on the peaking problem.
But as you concluded the bandwidth of the XG is probable comparable to a Marquee. Personally I would advice the topic starter to buy a cheap Marquee 9 inch LC. There is a lot of growing potential in these and tubes are available at low prices. But respect for your XG work!
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| redfox001 wrote: | | gjaky wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | in the other thread from Gjaky he wrote:
| Quote: | | Casethecorvetteman assured that his XG852 isn't doing anything like mine |
But it turns out MikeEby has posted the pictures and probable make a mistake. As you faked 1:1 for the 909 before i guessed you where the source my appologies for that misunderstanding. I have nothing against you as a persn i just wite the truth. |
Hold on for a minute, I had two problems with the XG. One was the bandwidth thing, that is harder to spot, the other was the content-dependant overpeaking issue, which is much easier to spot -and to which I was referring in the above mentioned quote. I found out the cause of that issue, but maybe that isn'T independent from the bandwidth problem.
For the overpeaking issue check here or there. |
Ok clear so Casey was responding on the peaking problem.
But as you concluded the bandwidth of the XG is probable comparable to a Marquee. Personally I would advice the topic starter to buy a cheap Marquee 9 inch LC. There is a lot of growing potential in these and tubes are available at low prices. But respect for your XG work! |
No i wasnt, dont put words in my keypad.
And where do you propose he find a cheap 9" Marquee in Australia? They are almost non exsistant.
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Curt sells them The porto on a single tube is not that high to Europe to Australia it will be a little more but compared to the low price say 200 for a red tube new or 200 for a green with little use the porto will be like 200? Still reasonable with those tube prices. And the porto is for 2 tubes.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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The sets themselves are almost unheard of here, the tubes are no issue.
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dentree
Joined: 01 May 2009
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Location: Melbourne Australia
TV/Projector: BARCO GRAPHICS 808 BARCO GRAPHICS 801
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Hi Casey,
Have just had the Cine 8 SMPS in the BG 808 trying to stabilize the voltage at 17, but the LEDS are all blinking, and the voltage is swinging wildly from around 13 to18 volts, so just keeps shutting down, however I have just gone through the fuses on the SMPS board and have found the one indicated in the picture has NO reading, all the rest give me a reading of continuity,
(the continuity has been tested with the fuses in situ) as they are all soldered in, have rung around but no one seems to know what I am talking about fuse is marked T5AL + 9V (FUSE F202)
on Curt's page he mentions Pico fuses (I do not know what that means, and it seems nobody I have spoken to are any the wiser either.
Anyway if I have done this right, I have at least found 1 problem relating to this board.
I have also decided that I am going to take down the Cine 8 and set both machines up on a table to look at the screen, that way it will be easier to work on them, but first to solve the fuse issue.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Yeah no worries mate, a pico fuse is a smsll sized device to limit excess current flow.
Im not your best bet tonight as i have had my mate from Wisconsin here for a BBQ, and ive had 7 tallies. You know what that means Trev To anyone else, it means im under the influence of alcohol... 7 tallies is a considerable amount!!
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redfox001
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| dentree wrote: | Hi Casey,
Have just had the Cine 8 SMPS in the BG 808 trying to stabilize the voltage at 17, but the LEDS are all blinking, and the voltage is swinging wildly from around 13 to18 volts, so just keeps shutting down, however I have just gone through the fuses on the SMPS board and have found the one indicated in the picture has NO reading, all the rest give me a reading of continuity,
(the continuity has been tested with the fuses in situ) as they are all soldered in, have rung around but no one seems to know what I am talking about fuse is marked T5AL + 9V (FUSE F202)
on Curt's page he mentions Pico fuses (I do not know what that means, and it seems nobody I have spoken to are any the wiser either.
Anyway if I have done this right, I have at least found 1 problem relating to this board.
I have also decided that I am going to take down the Cine 8 and set both machines up on a table to look at the screen, that way it will be easier to work on them, but first to solve the fuse issue. |
Tried the 808 smps in the cine 8 too?
Btw if a fuse blows there might be a reason. Your smps might need a pro to look at for repair.
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dentree
Joined: 01 May 2009
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TV/Projector: BARCO GRAPHICS 808 BARCO GRAPHICS 801
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Replaced the fuse in the Cine 8 SMPS fired it up in the BG808.....ALL GREEN..... and was able to set the voltage at present to 17.2, will fine tune later, the 808 is only running on it's startup screen at present, Next I will put the Quad back into the Cine 8 and run it up and see if there are any errors showing on the Cine boards.....to be continued
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redfox001
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| dentree wrote: | | Replaced the fuse in the Cine 8 SMPS fired it up in the BG808.....ALL GREEN..... and was able to set the voltage at present to 17.2, will fine tune later, the 808 is only running on it's startup screen at present, Next I will put the Quad back into the Cine 8 and run it up and see if there are any errors showing on the Cine boards.....to be continued |
Looks like you fixed it! Now if you have the cine 8 running exchange the focus yokes between 808 and cine 8.
Great work! 
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