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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: Ebay's New Listing Fees |
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So, what does everyone think of the new ebay listing fees? http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10508
Wow, an eight percent commission on $25 and under items. It would be less painful to be a gay porn fluffer.
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Tom.W
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: |
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That does it ! I'm buying E bay stock... Gay porn fluffer ? 
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Clarence
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: |
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I like this change:
| Quote: | | Significantly, a major change in the feedback system was also announced. Sellers can now only give buyers positive feedback. Whether this will hurt sellers remains to be seen. In the past buyers tended to gripe less due to fear of a retaliatory negative feedback -- a sort of "I'll scratch your back, if you scratch mine" setup. The shakeup may lead to more honesty on the part of buyers of their customer experience, but it may also allow some less well-mannered buyers to have an easier time throwing a tantrum over issues outside sellers' control. |
Once you pay in a timely fashion, your role as a buyer is complete. Too many sellers threaten to leave a negative if you complain about receiving crap.
Great business model... take a 8% commission from the seller without ever touching a product. And since they own paypal, they get another cut once the seller pays. But it's still seems like a fair rate... most real auctions charge a 10% fee on top of the winning bid.
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macgyver655
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But isn't the 10% usually a buyers fee, paid by the buyer? Every auction I have gone to is this way.
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Clarence
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | But isn't the 10% usually a buyers fee, paid by the buyer? Every auction I have gone to is this way. |
Yes, but since I'm a buyer 99% of the time and only sell 1% of the time, I'm all for a seller's fee vs the typical 10% buyer's fee.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Besides, if you make it a buyer's fee, the seller pays anyway. Smart bidders always consider his/her total costs including shipping, fees, etc. and bid accordingly. In that case, any fees always get paid by the seller - it just isn't obvious, because it's reflected in a lower closing bid. Of course, not all bidders are necessarily that shrewd...
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| Clarence wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | But isn't the 10% usually a buyers fee, paid by the buyer? Every auction I have gone to is this way. |
Yes, but since I'm a buyer 99% of the time and only sell 1% of the time, I'm all for a seller's fee vs the typical 10% buyer's fee. |
Yes, people are usually in favor of something that is to their benefit and against anything that is not. I also think that most buyer's on Ebay dont realize that they are paying the fee's, if they are buying from a smart and longtime seller. Here's an example:
A seller is going to post an item. He packages and weighs the item, then goes online to a shipper (USPS, FEDEX or UPS) and gets the shipping to the farthest city and state from him (US Sales). Lets say that figure is $10.00. So he knows the most shipping is going to cost is $10.00. He then figures his insertion fees. Lets say its $2.00. Next he estimates how much it will sell for. Lets say the selling fee comes to 3.00. He then figures if someone pays by Paypal, that fee will be $5.00. He now knows all his fees and shipping will be $20.00. So when he lists his item, he will put shipping cost at $20.00. There are no restrictions on shipping fees.
Now if any shipping or fees is less then what he figured, thats more money in his pocket. If his item sells for more then he estimated, well thats even more money to him even if fees are a little more. And he will also state in the listing that out of US sales will require higher shipping costs.
So in essence, buyers are really paying all fees. If you dont like the shipping costs, oh well.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: |
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That's all true, unless your buyers consider that said item's market price is really $100. Considering that, they bid no higher than $80. Guess who just paid the $20 worth of fees?
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | That's all true, unless your buyers consider that said item's market price is really $100. Considering that, they bid no higher than $80. Guess who just paid the $20 worth of fees?
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I guess I should of also added the seller will then determine how much he is willing to sell his item for and will then either start it at that price or put a reserve on it. I believe most people when looking at the shipping, if its not rediculious will say, well the seller has to buy the box and packing and drive to the shipper so he should charge some extra, not knowing the boxes are free from the post office. I also believe some people dont even look at the shipping when they are bidding.
I'm sure your a smart buyer and consider total costs when you buy, but, I'm sure you could agree there are thousands out there that dont. And thats the buyers these avid sellers are looking for. Plus if it was something you were really looking for I'm sure a shipping charge that seems a little high wont stop you from bidding. If you cant make money on the item your selling then why bother. I laugh when I see an item sell for 50 cents. I would trash it before I would spend all that time involved to sell it.
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deronmoped
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I surprised that some site has not cut into e-bays business. They still seem like the only game in town for getting something used. I buy off of Craig's list if it is local, but I would not trust anybody selling me something sight unseen otherwise.
Deron.
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Phil Smith
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I don't think the seller has much control over what he can ask for an item. Like all other markets, the ebay market determines that. A seller usually doesn't have a monopoly on an item. There are usually several other sellers offering identical merchandise. You have to be competitive with your pricing, or buyers will shop elsewhere.
I sell higher priced items, so the rate change doesn't really effect me. If anything, the new rates will be slightly cheaper for me. But what does bother me is the new feedback system. Sellers can no longer leave negative feedback on buyers that pay. This allows unscrupulous buyers to blackmail the seller with threats of negative feedback, whether deserved or not. I know of this from first hand experience. Now that the buyer doesn't have worry about receiving negative feedback in return. He's free to blackmail the seller without fear of recourse.
I have really good feedback (99.5% positive). I have to bend over backwards for customers to maintain that rating. Now I'll probably have to occasionally let them scam me to keep a high rating. That sucks!
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