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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:03 pm Post subject: Sony G90 Error code 88 - Is the YA board/Dallas - SOLVED! |
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So I've had my beautiful Sony G90 safely esconced in my basement since I got it from Nashou (a couple years ago? not sure anymore). I've done the same as him and had it plugged in and in standby since having it, and only fired it up once to make sure it still worked after moving it, which it worked perfectly.
Yesterday I walked past it and saw the code display on the rear say "88", I flipped the main power rocker off, let it sit for a few seconds, flipped it back on, and it went back into normal standby. Today, it has the same issue, only this time I just flipped it off, since I had an odd feeling this wasn't good. I looked around the forum for info regarding the error, and what I found indicated this is the infamous YA Board failure, which was the odd feeling I had!
So I haven't used it since this has happened, I don't want to ruin the projector, I haven't even gotten a chance to enjoy it yet... Is this repairable at all, or do I have to replace the YA board? I'll admit I've never really paid any attention to any of the G90 stuff because I never owned one, and even after getting this one, didn't really worry about it too much... (yeah my bad I know)
So what's the scoop CRT master Guru's?
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HaydnG90
Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 1356
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I believe red 88 is YA board related but luckily for you is not a bad IC421. Craig Rounds can fix this. Reach out to him and make arrangements to ship him the board. A word of warning. If you get the error when the tubes are active you can cause spot burn. DO NOT turn the G90 back on until the board is repaired. If the error occurs in standby no worries.
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Damn Jeremy, hope you can get this up and running.
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| HaydnG90 wrote: | | I believe red 88 is YA board related but luckily for you is not a bad IC421. Craig Rounds can fix this. Reach out to him and make arrangements to ship him the board. A word of warning. If you get the error when the tubes are active you can cause spot burn. DO NOT turn the G90 back on until the board is repaired. If the error occurs in standby no worries. |
Thanks Haydn.
Everything Haydn said is correct especially the part about not powering up the tubes until this error is fixed. Error 88 can be tricky to repair but I have a 100% success rate with them. You do not need a new YA board and the problem is not the Dallas chip. Something is wrong in the CPU section of the board.
please email me if you would like to arrange repairs.
Best,
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tfuller
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I can vouch for Craig's repair services. He repaired my incredibly difficult YA board, and diagnosed the first power filter board failure he's ever seen in my unit Looking forward to getting everything set up in the new house over the next couple of weeks.
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CIR Engineering
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| tfuller wrote: | I can vouch for Craig's repair services. He repaired my incredibly difficult YA board, and diagnosed the first power filter board failure he's ever seen in my unit Looking forward to getting everything set up in the new house over the next couple of weeks. |
Thank you sir! I'm glad your up and running.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Craig, Haydn. Jeremy, and tfuller,
Thanks for the advice and that is ***awesome!!*** to hear my YA board is repairable!
I'll definitely contact you about repairing the YA board in (probably) a couple weeks Craig. I'm super busy at the moment, but I didn't just want to let this go, since I've never even had it setup to enjoy yet. I'm just super thrilled its not toast! I was pretty bummed when I saw the 88 code on the back, having never used it
Since I now have 2 Sony flagship PJ's that are non functional, I think its time I get the G90 and the Qualia repaired. (My Sony's just don't like me I guess )
Thanks for the offer to repair the YA board Craig, like I said I'll definitely message you about it in a couple weeks!!
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Jeremy112
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Oh, I'll probably want the Dallas chip taken care of before it becomes a problem too
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ask4me2
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If the red 88 shows up when the projector is running, is there a safe way to shut i down without the risk of spotburn.
Thinking something like killing the filament power or HV system first so there is not much energy left in the beam if the G2 grids etc do not function on a 88 error shutdown
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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The projector has already shut down if you get the red 88 error code. Hopefully it didn't spot burn the tubes.
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HaydnG90
Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 1356
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As Curt says its instantaneous shutdown as well as possible spot burn. I imagine the only way to save the tubes is to run the set at ridiculously low brightness and contrast settings. But no one is going to do that for an improbable scenario.
Keep the Dallas chip fresh and don't ignore any odd out of norm behavior as it could be early signs of a failing component. I tend to cross my fingers when turning on the G90 these days. After all they are almost 20 years old now.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Talk about bringing a thread back from the dead!
I am back! I've been quite busy over the last several years since I got this projector, and made this post, but I FINALLY have time to do something with my G90!
I wanted to update this thread and let anyone know who comes across it with the same error code, that I did manage to get rid of it.
My YA board needed to be re-seated, and the contacts for the YA board cleaned. The issue went away and has not come back since. So anyone with the same code, consider cleaning the contacts/reseating the board before replacing it (I was quite thrilled to see the error go away for good!)
Another thing with my YA board, I have the problem IC421 (the bad lot # I should say) - while mine still works, I suspect that it will eventually fail since its the bad lot number. For now though, I can at least play with the projector and then make a decision on replacing the board.
Sorry to bring this thread back from 12ft under but wanted to do a proper update!
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HaydnG90
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How many hours have you got on the G90? When the bad IC421 fails it's usually fairly early. Mine died around 1500hrs. If you have a lot more than that you might be one of the lucky ones.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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My YA board needed to be re-seated, and the contacts for the YA board cleaned. The issue went away and has not come back since. S! |
I'll bet it will. My understanding from Craig is that this is a hardware failure, and while reseating and cleaning the board may have solved things temporarily, if the 88 error happens when the set is on, you'll spot burn all 3 tubes.
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Jeremy112
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Jeremy112 wrote: |
My YA board needed to be re-seated, and the contacts for the YA board cleaned. The issue went away and has not come back since. S! |
I'll bet it will. My understanding from Craig is that this is a hardware failure, and while reseating and cleaning the board may have solved things temporarily, if the 88 error happens when the set is on, you'll spot burn all 3 tubes. |
Interesting... It hasn't had an issue yet, but I haven't run the set for very long either, just long enough to see if it still functioned properly (which for the 30 or so minutes it was on it did).
I'll keep that in mind, Curt. Since I still have the crap YA board IC421 something will eventually have to get done. I just started working on setting up my theater again after all these years so I still need to see if my plans for the G90 will work or not.
Thanks for the tip though, I never really thought about that!
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Jeremy112
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| HaydnG90 wrote: | | How many hours have you got on the G90? When the bad IC421 fails it's usually fairly early. Mine died around 1500hrs. If you have a lot more than that you might be one of the lucky ones. |
I only checked when I first got the set from Nashou years ago, IIRC it said 583 or so. It was a very low use set, so I also suspect the IC421 to fail at some point... Sadly
Edit: You have me wanting to check now to see if I am correct or not... I would ironically be thrilled if it was 5830 hours instead, given the known issue with IC421.
If I get brave enough to power it back up (after what Curt just told me) I'll take a look and update.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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| Jeremy112 wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | | Jeremy112 wrote: |
My YA board needed to be re-seated, and the contacts for the YA board cleaned. The issue went away and has not come back since. S! |
I'll bet it will. My understanding from Craig is that this is a hardware failure, and while reseating and cleaning the board may have solved things temporarily, if the 88 error happens when the set is on, you'll spot burn all 3 tubes. |
Interesting... It hasn't had an issue yet, but I haven't run the set for very long either, just long enough to see if it still functioned properly (which for the 30 or so minutes it was on it did).
I'll keep that in mind, Curt. Since I still have the crap YA board IC421 something will eventually have to get done. I just started working on setting up my theater again after all these years so I still need to see if my plans for the G90 will work or not.
Thanks for the tip though, I never really thought about that! |
Yep, be careful. I had one customer that didn't want to spend the money to get Craig to repair the board when it threw the 88 code the first time. I strongly suggested he get Craig to do it, but he thought he could get away with it. Within a month, his set had 3 bad spot burns in the middle of the tubes (and they were nice minty tubes to boot!) and the 88 code came back. We wrote the set off at that point.
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Yes. It is a hardware problem with the computer section of the YA board. The cause of that issue can be due to a large number of bits and bobs on the YA board. It is however isolated to the YA board and the only way to get error 88 is from a problem on the YA board.
If a G90 EVER throws an error 88 it will definitely, absolutely, without doubt, do it again at some point, unless the board is repaired. It is not unusual for error 88 to begin with only very occasional events and then become more frequent if it is not fixed properly. I remember a thread somewhere on this forum from years ago when Mike Hines had a YA board that was handed from one tech to another for a very long time; like 1-2 years. It had been declared fix by at least two people (including Mike Parker) when it again threw an 88. This was before anyone had solved 88 error causes. Finally, Mike sent me the board, and I decided I was simply not going to give up until I figured out how to actually fix error 88 and confirm that it was indeed fixed. It was easier when I got the board because at that point it would throw an 88 in a day or less. I spent well over 100 man hours and was the most challenging thing I ever solved on the G90.
In any event, if you value your tubes please send me the board for repair. When error 88 triggers while the projector is running (not in standby, actually projecting an image) there is a 100% chance that all three tubes will be struck and most likely be destroyed. Occasionally when the tubes are struck, it might land outside the image area and the tube can be salvaged, but I've only been so luck a handful of times... I think I was able to save a red from a projector once, and a blue from another.
Other issues that can cause tubes to be struck such as error 11 can but often don't strike the tubes. I still think one shouldn't mess around with error codes that can strike tubes.
But I guarantee what you did to "fix" the YA board will not stop error 88 from happening again. 88 is a tricky bitch because yeah, you flip the rocker switch off, wait a sec, flip it back on, and bam the 88 is gone. The sad thing is that it will come back, hopefully not while you are watching anything
craigr
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