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barcodude · Joined: 14 Jun 2014 Posts: 169 Location: The Netherlands

i did some swopping of cables to my a/v receiver with 4 hdmi inputs i tested the internal scaler @1080p. Dvd's worked great only bluray went all crazy with very faint colors and picture i supose a barco graphics 801s isn't made to show 1080p

cmjohnson · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 5180 Location: Buried under G90s

The Marquee won't sync on 1080P-24. Not sure about a Barco.

Be sure that your player is outputting 1080P-60 or higher.

I had the same issue and it turns out that my player was trying to deliver 24 FPS. Too slow. After changed it to 60 FPS, perfection.

racerxnet · Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 362 Location: Illinois

3:2 pulldown would work for 1080P.

Mak

barcodude · Joined: 14 Jun 2014 Posts: 169 Location: The Netherlands

nope, tested this again, and still wouldn't sync right Crying or Very sad

How about the 'deep colour' funtion would that make a diffrence?
(not in resolution ofcourse) I had also a funtion to optomize hdmi performance with 'monitor' or 'tv' what is likely to be more like a crt. I think 'monitor' the colour depth seems to be more with that option selected

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:25 pm Post subject:

What source are you using? Go into the players menu and turn off 24fps.

barcodude · Joined: 14 Jun 2014 Posts: 169 Location: The Netherlands

Jeremy112 · Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI

There is no "Resolution" Selection option in your BD Player setup? Like 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p24, 1080p60? My 1st gen Pioneer BDP-HD1 has that functionality right on the front panel controls, I would expect a newer unit to have similar abilities... If not, then glad I'm still rockin' the antique from 2006!

**kal** · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject:

No CRT projector can show 24 fps (Hz). Done on purpose as the flicker would drive you nuts. Years ago some people used to do 48Hz on CRT and even that flicker drove me nuts.

Your Barco 801 can't resolve 1080p. It can barely do 720p cleanly. I would stick with 1080i which is half the bandwidth of 1080p but still the same resolution. It's the best compromise (IMHO) for most 8" CRT projectors even EM focussing ones. Your ES focussing unit will be softer so 1080i is really the best solution.

1080i is lower bandwidth than 720p but still full 1920x1080 resolution so it's easier to resolve for the projector and you won't be throwing away any pixels.

Kal

barcodude · Joined: 14 Jun 2014 Posts: 169 Location: The Netherlands

i only can choose between 480/576, 1080i, 720p, 1080p that's it but this samsung bd player only cost me 20$ on a dutch e-bay so i don't expect much.

i will try the 1080i when i get fed up with the 720p option, because it's all setup nicely, and in the past on my "7" pj i got some stupid white line noise on dvd when playing it on my bd player on 1080i for some reason, i think 720p is the sweatspot for my bd player.

barcodude · Joined: 14 Jun 2014 Posts: 169 Location: The Netherlands

ok did some "real" surfing on the interweb about 720p vs 1080i and every time a crt subject came up they were talking
about 1080i is the best for crt guns. So i think i will try it tonight ( there we go again! )

**kal** · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:26 pm Post subject:

That's what we've been trying to tell you. The folks around here are fairly knowledgeable when it comes to crt. Wink

Kal

barcodude · Joined: 14 Jun 2014 Posts: 169 Location: The Netherlands

aaahhhh

it's never easy is it! Just set every thing to 1080i total convegence bullcrap.
much to much h width much to little v with all out off range. That can't be good?

**kal** · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:41 pm Post subject:

With CRT projectors every new resolution/refresh combination requires a new memory block/convergence to be done.
You need to go through and set up the electronic convergence for that resolution/refresh combination.

Kal

ecrabb · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:53 pm Post subject:

Not sure if it's true of Barco, but on Sony projectors, there was both a "save" and a "save to all" type of command. That way, that whatever convergence adjustments you'd done at 720p, could also be saved to the slot for 1080i. That way, when you switched to 1080i, you weren't starting from scratch on every single bit of geometry.

SC

**kal** · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:06 pm Post subject:

Yup - Barco has block copies as well that get often get you 90% of the way there. (That said, I've rarely ever used them as I usually like to start 'clean'). I only ever used 720p/60 and 1080i/60 on my Barco 8" projector. I suppose 1080p/60 was set up as well just to see how well (in this case poorly) it resolved. It's a one time setup thing.

Kal

barcodude · Joined: 14 Jun 2014 Posts: 169 Location: The Netherlands

if you copy a block you only see refresh rates, do not know wich one is wich.
And when i said it's all outa range, i ment they were all on their limit's trying to fit the picture

**kal** · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:56 am Post subject:

If the electronic settings are at their limits trying to get the image to fit, then the mechanical setup is likely not optimal.

The general steps to set up any Barco are here:

http://www.curtpalme.com/Barco_Setup_Quick_Reference_Guide.shtm

Make sure you understand tube/raster setup too:

http://www.curtpalme.com/TubeRasterSetup.shtm

Kal