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dentree
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Have changed the jumper on the Cine 8 convergence board as instructed and it fires up the BG808 just fine, I did center focusing when I had the original 808 convergence board in and got it focused at around 50, when I put the CINE 8 convergence board in, I had to re-focus and set the astig rings again slightly and achieved perfect focus at about 49, it's all a bit difficult as I have the 808 on the floor just pointing at a wall, whilst the CINE 8 is up on the ceiling set for proper distance etc..
With regard to the focus drift on green on the 808 I would need to run it for a number of hours fully set up to see if the convergence and focus drift,
I think at this stage I will try to get someone around to help put the 808 back on the ceiling, and then see what happens, meanwhile I should try to find a QUADROUPLER to fit into the CINE 8 so at least the set will power up, even though it will shut down as I mentioned, but having essentially a "live" set we can attempt to resolve the issue as ideas/suggestions come to mind, of course my goal was to run with pristine tubes and more brightness, so the game plan would be to try to resolve the issues on the table with the view to a resolution,
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:56 am Post subject: |
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So do you feel swapping that jumper on the COG board has improved or helped something?
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km987654
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| dentree wrote: | Have changed the jumper on the Cine 8 convergence board as instructed and it fires up the BG808 just fine, I did center focusing when I had the original 808 convergence board in and got it focused at around 50, when I put the CINE 8 convergence board in, I had to re-focus and set the astig rings again slightly and achieved perfect focus at about 49, it's all a bit difficult as I have the 808 on the floor just pointing at a wall, whilst the CINE 8 is up on the ceiling set for proper distance etc..
With regard to the focus drift on green on the 808 I would need to run it for a number of hours fully set up to see if the convergence and focus drift,
I think at this stage I will try to get someone around to help put the 808 back on the ceiling, and then see what happens, meanwhile I should try to find a QUADROUPLER to fit into the CINE 8 so at least the set will power up, even though it will shut down as I mentioned, but having essentially a "live" set we can attempt to resolve the issue as ideas/suggestions come to mind, of course my goal was to run with pristine tubes and more brightness, so the game plan would be to try to resolve the issues on the table with the view to a resolution, |
Well I guess we will hear from you when ready. Although I would have ended this by moving the tubes to the BG808 and thats better done on the floor but again if you want to fool around with the Cine 8 set that up to you.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | Ok. So I take it that the focus is good on the BG808.
Moving some boards and not others may cause errors but the projector should still power up and produce an image. I want to move one at a time to make sure we are not moving a problem. When all the boards are shifted there should be no errors. That jumper on the COG board above does appear to be in the wrong position so shift it to the other pins and put the tray back in. |
I saw that when I looked real close at the pics back on my PC monitor, and although I doubt itll help the issue, I reckon it should be on the right side instead of where it is  |
Logically Case you would be right but I have seen those work in reverse and this might be a case in point as it came from the Cine 8 projector. Although thats screwed up so thats why we will test it by moving the jumper. It will either work or not. |
At this point Keith we have moved over so much ground and made some discoveries, sooner or later we should hit something more solid.
I cant see that jumper having an impact on focus, it really shouldn't, but if I understand Trevor's previous post it has fixed the dim image when used in the 808??
Im no longer looking toward HV issues for the focus issue, although ive read about it before, I do tend to think we could be onto something with the tubes and their possible compatibilities with the yokes installed.
As stated earlier on with the PG XTRA tubes in an XG, im not sure if using the focus yokes of an XTRA will make those tubes usable in an XG, but there is noticeably more room to move things on an XTRA tube compared to an XG, yet the XG and G70 tubes are longer.
While that may have little or nothing to do with this machine, the basic principal is still the same, and so should be the effect.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | dentree wrote: | Have changed the jumper on the Cine 8 convergence board as instructed and it fires up the BG808 just fine, I did center focusing when I had the original 808 convergence board in and got it focused at around 50, when I put the CINE 8 convergence board in, I had to re-focus and set the astig rings again slightly and achieved perfect focus at about 49, it's all a bit difficult as I have the 808 on the floor just pointing at a wall, whilst the CINE 8 is up on the ceiling set for proper distance etc..
With regard to the focus drift on green on the 808 I would need to run it for a number of hours fully set up to see if the convergence and focus drift,
I think at this stage I will try to get someone around to help put the 808 back on the ceiling, and then see what happens, meanwhile I should try to find a QUADROUPLER to fit into the CINE 8 so at least the set will power up, even though it will shut down as I mentioned, but having essentially a "live" set we can attempt to resolve the issue as ideas/suggestions come to mind, of course my goal was to run with pristine tubes and more brightness, so the game plan would be to try to resolve the issues on the table with the view to a resolution, |
Well I guess we will hear from you when ready. Although I would have ended this by moving the tubes to the BG808 and thats better done on the floor but again if you want to fool around with the Cine 8 set that up to you. |
I too would try moving tubes between sets, but im not sure what else has to move with them. Theoretically the neckboards should be fine to stay in their respective sets.
I really would like to see some solid specs on the tubes in question and what, if any, difference the focus yokes could make on the wrong tubes.
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km987654
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | dentree wrote: | Have changed the jumper on the Cine 8 convergence board as instructed and it fires up the BG808 just fine, I did center focusing when I had the original 808 convergence board in and got it focused at around 50, when I put the CINE 8 convergence board in, I had to re-focus and set the astig rings again slightly and achieved perfect focus at about 49, it's all a bit difficult as I have the 808 on the floor just pointing at a wall, whilst the CINE 8 is up on the ceiling set for proper distance etc..
With regard to the focus drift on green on the 808 I would need to run it for a number of hours fully set up to see if the convergence and focus drift,
I think at this stage I will try to get someone around to help put the 808 back on the ceiling, and then see what happens, meanwhile I should try to find a QUADROUPLER to fit into the CINE 8 so at least the set will power up, even though it will shut down as I mentioned, but having essentially a "live" set we can attempt to resolve the issue as ideas/suggestions come to mind, of course my goal was to run with pristine tubes and more brightness, so the game plan would be to try to resolve the issues on the table with the view to a resolution, |
Well I guess we will hear from you when ready. Although I would have ended this by moving the tubes to the BG808 and thats better done on the floor but again if you want to fool around with the Cine 8 set that up to you. |
I too would try moving tubes between sets, but im not sure what else has to move with them. Theoretically the neckboards should be fine to stay in their respective sets.
I really would like to see some solid specs on the tubes in question and what, if any, difference the focus yokes could make on the wrong tubes. |
There are other boards to shift before moving the tubes especially if those neck boards need to be with the tubes but if he wants to go about finding a quad and having another go at the Cine 8 thats up to him.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:53 am Post subject: |
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I dont reckon quad, i reckon splitter, if anything HV.
But i know what youre getting at.
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km987654
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | I dont reckon quad, i reckon splitter, if anything HV.
But i know what youre getting at. |
Yes that was my thinking in terms of the focus issue but a quad is required as the one that was in that set is Roo Ted. 
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Yep, gotcha
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dentree
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I read the conversation you were having between you regarding the splitter, could either of you please explain why you are both in accord with this line of thinking as this is something entirely new to me, ad I haven't the faintest idea as to
what the impact is on this device in the scheme of things.
It seems to me that I should maybe looking for both a splitter and a Quad to test your theories
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redfox001
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: |
What a f***en load of s***. There most certainly is proof, unless you want to call Mike Eby, Mark AW, and Doug Baisey liars too?? |
Well show the proof. Your clame about the bandwidth of the xg is just as trustworthy as the clame you made for the 909 that turned out te be using the wrong testimages and what more. I see no reason why you used the right images on the xg. |
I never tested the XG and never posted test images from it either.
Use the search button and youll be amazed what youll find about just how much better the XG is compared to any other unmodded 8 inch machine out there, a few years ago when such experts in the field as Doug and Mark were around, they did many tests. The results mustve been good enough for them, as I see no documentation indicating they managed to improve the sets with any mods.
You saw one test from Gabor's XG that isn't working properly, and it was infact him that reposted the image of Mike's bone stock XG perfectly showing 1920x1080 at 72Hz.
And you know all too well I could care less if you call me a liar, but to make such statements as "the XG has terrible bandwidth" when you clearly haven't done any searching and have no idea what youre on about is not ideal is it. |
Well I read in Gabors thread that he beleived that he had 6 bad neckboards with no explanation beside the boards marerial being wrong that was very unlikely and I asked him why do you think these neckboards can do high bandwidth? He said Casey showed a picture. Now I do no know for a fact your pictures are wrong so you made him jump through a lot of sh*t. But please point me to Mike picture but no you are not feeling well and don't have the time to point me to Mike picture that is probable about a dog pissing i the yard or something but not about bandwidth
But ok lets rephrase. At the least 2 out of 3 XG's have terrible bandwidth so the chances are high your XG will have terrible bandwidth.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| dentree wrote: | I read the conversation you were having between you regarding the splitter, could either of you please explain why you are both in accord with this line of thinking as this is something entirely new to me, ad I haven't the faintest idea as to
what the impact is on this device in the scheme of things.
It seems to me that I should maybe looking for both a splitter and a Quad to test your theories |
I would very much like to see you try a known working splitter, as an internally arcing one can cause issues, whether it is your issue or not i dont know. But try it, because its certainly not out of the question.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | redfox001 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: |
What a f***en load of s***. There most certainly is proof, unless you want to call Mike Eby, Mark AW, and Doug Baisey liars too?? |
Well show the proof. Your clame about the bandwidth of the xg is just as trustworthy as the clame you made for the 909 that turned out te be using the wrong testimages and what more. I see no reason why you used the right images on the xg. |
I never tested the XG and never posted test images from it either.
Use the search button and youll be amazed what youll find about just how much better the XG is compared to any other unmodded 8 inch machine out there, a few years ago when such experts in the field as Doug and Mark were around, they did many tests. The results mustve been good enough for them, as I see no documentation indicating they managed to improve the sets with any mods.
You saw one test from Gabor's XG that isn't working properly, and it was infact him that reposted the image of Mike's bone stock XG perfectly showing 1920x1080 at 72Hz.
And you know all too well I could care less if you call me a liar, but to make such statements as "the XG has terrible bandwidth" when you clearly haven't done any searching and have no idea what youre on about is not ideal is it. |
Well I read in Gabors thread that he beleived that he had 6 bad neckboards with no explanation beside the boards marerial being wrong that was very unlikely and I asked him why do you think these neckboards can do high bandwidth? He said Casey showed a picture. Now I do no know for a fact your pictures are wrong so you made him jump through a lot of sh*t. But please point me to Mike picture but no you are not feeling well and don't have the time to point me to Mike picture that is probable about a dog pissing i the yard or something but not about bandwidth
But ok lets rephrase. At the least 2 out of 3 XG's have terrible bandwidth so the chances are high your XG will have terrible bandwidth. |
I made no one jump through anything, but you think what you like. I think youre a bit of a wanker though, i wont make that a secret. Youre doing everything you can to prove my point, so its no drama.
I havent posted any test pics from the XG, you post otherwise and we will know im wrong. I want to see you put your money where your mouth is. It was Gábor that posted the Mike Eby test picture from his XG, again, search and youll find it, its not hard. Youd have to be a bit thick to believe a Barco Cine 8 is better than an XG in any way if you use the search feature, its all there.
But hey, you can call the great Doug Baisey and Mark AW liars if you so desire, no skin off my nose, they knew these machines front to back.
I find it really quite amusing youre still arguing about it, but not only that you still claim they have sh*t bandwidth and havent got an ounce of experience with one.
When you sh*t two litres of blood a day we will see how you feel, til then, you might want to start taking responsibility for your own actions instead of thinking it was just a copout on my part. Good onya, ive got nothing to hide.
By the way, ive been feeling pretty good the past few weeks.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| dentree wrote: | I read the conversation you were having between you regarding the splitter, could either of you please explain why you are both in accord with this line of thinking as this is something entirely new to me, ad I haven't the faintest idea as to
what the impact is on this device in the scheme of things.
It seems to me that I should maybe looking for both a splitter and a Quad to test your theories |
I want you to keep this in mind Trevor, what i suggest you try may not fix your set, but right now youve got an issue consistant with what both Keith and i believe could be a splitter arcing internally, im not saying you have to spend a cent, but i think its worth a shot. Try a known good one you have in stock from another set.
Despite what the redfox there wil have you believe, i didnt instruct him to do any of what he claims i did, he asked what i had and i told him, he went ahead and did what he did out of his own free will, and then claimed i cost him a fortune when he failed to yield the same results i did.
Thats life isnt it, no one forced him to do anything.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Further more, feel free to give me a call if you want to discuss anything, 0412258844 is my number, happy to clear up anything for you any time.
Cheers, Casey
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dentree
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the feedback,
Although other than Curt I do not know where I might be able to source either a splitter or Quad, it would be fortunate if there were any floating around Australia, rather than the U.S. postage is a killer, however having said that are all splitters in BARCOS the same, the reason I ask this is because I have a fully functioning BARCOGRAPHICS 801 sitting in my garage.
I say fully functioning, it was when I put into storage, it actually was replaced by the BG808 that is on the floor here,
Just thought I would mention that in the off chance, I have mentioned I think to Curt palme about the Quad, but he told me that it was not suitable (can't think what he said about it now) something about not fitting I think....will try to find the email from him
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CasetheCorvetteman
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I cant confirm that, and when buying from Curt his postage is very cheap. He also stands by what he sells, so if you do buy from him, you buy with confidence.
The only spare splitter i have it marked as being the cause of a blury image, and i dont know for sure if a splitter from a Cine 9 will work in a Cine 8 either.
The quad is no big deal, you have a known good one there.
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I cant see why the splitter from your 808 wont work, if you want to try that before spending any money.
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dentree
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Having one good Quad is just a bit of a pain if I have to keep swapping it between the BG 808 and the Cine 8 to try things, so I was thinking about what you said about swapping boards around between the two, the fact that the Cine 8 is showing a scan fail fault, if I were to sytematicaly put each of the boards from the Cine 8 into the BG 808 one at a time, eventually one of the boards from the CINE will produce the same scan fail message on the BG808, that then I assume then indicates which of the CINE boards is faulty. that would then take care of that question as to which board is bad.
If that situation can be achieved, then maybe I should then take the splitter out of the CINE 8 and put it into the BG 808 and watch the focus (which if you remember was the prime reason for me wanting to change to the Cine 8)
If that holds up the we must assume that apart from the wear on the BG 808 green gun the tube itself is still OK, if
that comes to pass then I would need to swap the Quad and splitter back into the Cine 8 and put the then known good BG 808 board into the Cine 8, all things being equal the Cine 8 should fire up and stabilize, will still of course have the original focusing problem on the Cine 8, but at least I will know what I need to buy,.......on the other hand if the splitter from the BG 808 is bad(giving me my soft focus on the BG 808 green gun (after an hour or so) then at turn on there might be an indication on the Cine 8 with regard to it's focusing issue, if focus can be achieved at anything other than ZERO then that should also tell a story, ............ this getting very convoluted isn't it?
I quite like the challenge though just trying to get my head around all this great interest and advice from all you guys.
Oh yes thanks for the very kind offer to call you, I have no doubt I will take you up on the offer, and just out of curiosity whereabouts in Q'land are you, we do get up there on occasion as my stepson lives on Russell Island (there again Queensland is a pretty big state)
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dentree
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Would a faulty splitter cause the scan fail LED to activate?
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