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Some questions on Vision 1
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dvh99



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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:02 pm    Post subject:

listen closely to the ceramic caps on the vdm, they make that noise.
maybe on some other boards too.

http://www.murata.com/en-global/products/capacitor/mlcc/solution/naki

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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:19 pm    Post subject:

Indeed the peeeep comes from vertical and lvps. Think I forget about it. With the vision cage it might be unaudible.

One question. The tubes are new. Should I do some setup and project all white with low contrast for some time?

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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:42 pm    Post subject:

Set up the PJ unfocused with a full white field at 40 contrast for a few hours a day if your anal. I did it for 8 hours while At work and that was it.

Athanasios

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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:29 pm    Post subject:

Yep the piezoelectric effect.

http://www.atceramics.com/Userfiles/piezoelectric_effect.pdf

Film caps may help if there is room .

Nashou

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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:13 pm    Post subject:

A little impression of the beeeeep. It gets less with a full screen. I think it is pretty quiet this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx-4RuzHZ6k&spfreload=10

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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:27 pm    Post subject:

I am working on the magnets and discovered that with the focus yoke wires disconnected the blue focus yoke all the way to the tube bell I still don't have optimal focus. I have to set electronic focus at 37 to get it sharp. At 50 there is overfocus. The RGB focus is also on 50. The green and the red tubes are new and they focus sharp at 50.

Now it seems to me that the old blue focus yoke has lost some of its permanent magnetic power? Is it normal for a marquee to have 10 point underfocus electronically? Is it advisable to try other focus yokes?

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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:36 pm    Post subject:

Yes its normal. That is why they have the individual RGB focus adjustments. The magnets never can be exactly the same and stay the same over time. So an electromagnetic field is needed to compensate or under compensate the Gauss of the magnets.

Also your electronic focus will differ as well due to non matching components of each RGB circuit on the FCM/FGM.

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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:58 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Yes its normal. That is why they have the individual RGB focus adjustments. The magnets never can be exactly the same and stay the same over time. So an electromagnetic field is needed to compensate or under compensate the Gauss of the magnets.

Also your electronic focus will differ as well due to non matching components of each RGB circuit on the FCM/FGM.

Athanasios


Thanks! Do you agree that the permanent magnet of the blue is a bit to strong because I need electronic underfocus? Or do I understand that wrong?

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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:18 pm    Post subject:

That could be it.

here are some relevant threads.

https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=15724.html

This device was posted in the MArquee Mod thread and Scott started a new one dedicated to it.

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=152532&highlight=#152532


There are some more all over this forum about the focus of the marquee, and in the frankenyoke thread.

I have some things I want to try on that board as well soon.........


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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:33 pm    Post subject:

Very cool but such a big toroid I do not have laying around Very Happy

I feel like testing different yokes like the 1292 and the barco yokes and more thomson yokes I have here.

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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:42 pm    Post subject:

I tried another Thomson yoke I have here and found out that the convergence yoke could be moved a little over the deflection yoke. Do not know if that solved it but now at 50 the yoke seems to be in focus. It is different with the barco's there you have some space to move the yokes.

This way I have more headroom for focus in the corners.

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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:30 pm    Post subject:

redfox001 wrote:
I tried another Thomson yoke I have here and found out that the convergence yoke could be moved a little over the deflection yoke. Do not know if that solved it but now at 50 the yoke seems to be in focus. It is different with the barco's there you have some space to move the yokes.

This way I have more headroom for focus in the corners.



Another way to improve corner or side focus is to make sure you have the CPC magnets dead on . This ends up helping the zone astig adjustment.

Also if you do not go crazy close to the edge of the tube face with the raster. I used to be all about going 3-4 mm
to the corners but now think 7-9mm will get you a little better focus.


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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:45 pm    Post subject:

Ok. By the way I am doing the magnets now with the lenses off. Contrast at 70 it is clearly visible. Especially blue seems easier this way. I guess on screen I can fine tune.
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:47 pm    Post subject:

redfox001 wrote:
Ok. By the way I am doing the magnets now with the lenses off. Contrast at 70 it is clearly visible. Especially blue seems easier this way. I guess on screen I can fine tune.



I plan on doing mine this weekend. I noticed the other day they are really flaring!!!

But I am using my Macbook as a monitor and I have the cylinder original iSight camera that I will put up looking at the dot so I can see it up close. And the iSight External camera is the best Firewire camera I have seen. It should work well.

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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:25 pm    Post subject:

Some strange observation. When the Marquee is in standby I can see the blue tube filament glow clearly but the other two are very faint. Does the filament get brighter with hours? Or do new tubes have different filaments? Just curious.
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:59 am    Post subject:

redfox001 wrote:
Some strange observation. When the Marquee is in standby I can see the blue tube filament glow clearly but the other two are very faint. Does the filament get brighter with hours? Or do new tubes have different filaments? Just curious.


Never noticed this, might be due to the Blue tube being closest to the P14 Filament power plug?


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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:44 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
redfox001 wrote:
Some strange observation. When the Marquee is in standby I can see the blue tube filament glow clearly but the other two are very faint. Does the filament get brighter with hours? Or do new tubes have different filaments? Just curious.


Never noticed this, might be due to the Blue tube being closest to the P14 Filament power plug?


Nashou


That should not be the case, I also think it is due to the different production date, I have seen this with small audio tubes as well, and I vould not worry about it, you can check P14 but if it is spot on you can't do anything else anyway Smile

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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:51 am    Post subject:

It was visible when I removed the back covers of the neckboards. It can be seen between the cooling ribs.

Another weird observation. i was not totally happy with the factory settings of the magnetics and on the green tube these astig magnets where difficult to turn without a knob. So I put on a new set of magnets and before I nulled all magnets. When I fired up the blobs seemed perfect round, dots in the middle and no movement with focus! Very Happy

So I thaught hey lets do that for red too but sadly that did not work for red or blue Sad


Makes me wonder again why does the green not need any correction? Is the gun perfect in spot?

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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:09 pm    Post subject:

I think it depends on pure luck, if you move the pj away, or put it upside-down you most likely have to redo the Astig, it is very delicate.
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:35 pm    Post subject:

The placement to the earths magnetic field has a lot to do with the CPC magnets. Just moving from floor to ceiling sometimes throws it off and it has to be redone .

Athanasios

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