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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:58 pm Post subject: Blockbuster closing, end of an Era |
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So yesterday I just happened to order a wireless card for my old HTPC, which I plan to bring back out for some streaming experiments in the HT. This would handle older TV shows since you can't stream new releases and such. I know we have netflix already cuz the wife and kids stream to the ipad.
Then last night I return a movie , and find out the stores closing. ALL the stores are closing and the mail order thing will be gone by January. This Saturday is the last day to rent, then they close for week to organize the fire sale, then next Saturday open for the inventory blow-out.
Seems surreal, I mean BB has just always been there. I remember going into the first video stores late 80's and renting VCR tapes. Then the BB's came along, anyone remember the $1. charge if you didn't rewind the tape?
Anyway, I've loved and hated BB at times, but still find it sad to see it all go. I rather liked popping in and seeing tangible things on the shelf instead of even more "cloud" services from an LCD screen.
I think I need to go spin some Vinyl now.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Classic example of a big business that was extremely slow to react to market and competitive forces. Adapt or die. They did the latter.
Sad on one hand, but not sad on the other. Think of it like an elderly person dying or a forest fire. The old die out, it's sad, but by dying, they make way for the new. It's a rebirth of sorts.
If you still want physical discs like many of us here do, there are still places to get them, including Netflix.
I have to say... I used to mix most of my rental between Redbox and a couple of local Family Video stores. Redbox started renting games, so the box doesn't have as many movies as it did before games, which leaves you with only a few mainstream titles. Family Video is a bit of the same problem... Too much mainstream, very little indie or special-interest, and if they do have those genres, they aren't Blu-ray.
Left with little other choice, I've been watching a lot more streaming, and I have to give it a thumbs-up. The selection is FAR beyond what any mainstream physical store every carried, there's nothing to go out and get, nothing to return, and no late fees to worry about. We use both AppleTV and Vudu, and I have to say the quality is very good. AppleTV is fine for most stuff... It's far, far superior to DirecTV's HD offering picture-quality-wise, so for a lot of the stuff we watch, it's very adequate - even in the theater. Not BD, but very good!
When we wanted to take it up a notch, we've rented a few VUDU HDX movies on the Oppo... I have to say... It's DAMN close to Blu-ray. Unless you're watching a tweaked nine-inch machine with a large viewing angle, I think you're going to be hard-pressed to tell the difference.
Just trying to point out that it isn't all thorns and sadness.
SC
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garyfritz
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Streaming is pretty limited on Netflix -- you can never stream the movies you want, just 2nd-tier movies you're not all that interested in. My understanding was that it was because once the federal requirement expired that FORCED the studios to allow streaming, they wouldn't give Netflix access to it. They kept it for themselves. Have AppleTV and Vudu worked around that so you can actually watch recent and first-run flicks?
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | | Streaming is pretty limited on Netflix -- you can never stream the movies you want, just 2nd-tier movies you're not all that interested in. My understanding was that it was because once the federal requirement expired that FORCED the studios to allow streaming, they wouldn't give Netflix access to it. They kept it for themselves. |
I don't know anything about a federal requirement expiring, but exclusives are the bane of the industry. The content owners are wearing the pants, and everybody else just has to bend over for it. That's why Netflix starting making their own content. Eventually, it's going to bite the studios in the ass. By not playing ball with their content, they're essentially creating competitors out of what could have been their partners.
| garyfritz wrote: | | Have AppleTV and Vudu worked around that so you can actually watch recent and first-run flicks? |
I don't know that they worked around anything. The big difference between Apple and Vudu vs Netflix is the monthly "all-you-can-eat" subscription. That model just isn't something the content owners are that happy with for premium content. So, when you rent from Apple or Vudu, you're paying to rent the movie just like you did at the movie store. Clearly, the difference is the money the content owners receive for the views - it's a lot more with Apple and Vudu, so they get the content, and Netflix doesn't.
Not only does Apple get some of the first-run stuff, you can even rent movies that are in the theaters in some cases. My wife and I have paid I think $8.99 or $9.99 twice now to watch a brand new movie that was just coming to theaters. It's pretty cool. I don't know about Vudu, because we did it on Apple TV.
Still, there's all the exclusivity bull**** where Redbox gets something, but Apple and Vudu don't, or Apple gets it, and Redbox and Vudu don't.
Eventually, I hope the Prima Cinema concept goes down-market and becomes more commonplace and affordable. I'd totally pay $20 or even $30 to have some friends over to screen the latest blockbuster right when it releases in the theaters. How cool would that be?
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | Just trying to point out that it isn't all thorns and sadness.SC | yeah I know, it's just that i;m a nostalgic old sap, comes with old age i think.
| ecrabb wrote: | Not only does Apple get some of the first-run stuff, you can even rent movies that are in the theaters in some cases. My wife and I have paid I think $8.99 or $9.99 twice now to watch a brand new movie that was just coming to theaters. It's pretty cool. I don't know about Vudu, because we did it on Apple TV.
Eventually, I hope the Prima Cinema concept goes down-market and becomes more commonplace and affordable. I'd totally pay $20 or even $30 to have some friends over to screen the latest blockbuster right when it releases in the theaters. How cool would that be?
SC | not sure about Apple, not ready ot join cult just yet. The plan for now is get new releases on Netflix mail order and stream older stuff like all the series I never watched off netflix as well. As has been noted, everything is transitional now, and we have no idea how it will all shake out.
The thought of seeing new movie s in my HT the same time that they're in the theaters didn't even occur to me, that would be pretty cool. I could see paying for something like that, even $25. is more than reasonable considering it's well over $30. for me and 2 boys to catch a matinee, never mind the pop-corn, drinks, potential for sh*t-heads on cell phones, crying baby's, etc.
Oh well, good by ole Blockbuster, end of an era. Brave new movie world out there now
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | The thought of seeing new movie s in my HT the same time that they're in the theaters didn't even occur to me, that would be pretty cool. I could see paying for something like that, even $25. is more than reasonable considering it's well over $30. for me and 2 boys to catch a matinee, never mind the pop-corn, drinks, potential for sh*t-heads on cell phones, crying baby's, etc. |
Exactly. I've seen people on the interwebs have a hissy-fit at the suggestion of $25 for a new release rental when they're used to paying a few dollars. The problem is, they're comparing to the wrong thing! Compare it to a couple going to the theater and spending north of $30 for tickets and popcorn, and all of a sudden $25 at home starts looking pretty good.
I wouldn't do it all the time, but I'd certainly do it a hell of a lot more than I got to the commercial cinema, which at this point is usually about once a year. Maybe. I could see doing it once every month or two, and the studio would no doubt make a lot more money on the $25 sale to me than they would the $20 worth of tickets at the theater, too.
The theaters owners wouldn't be too happy about it, but I sure would.
I was at a CEDIA installer's open house last spring, and he had a Prima box, and I have to say... It was pretty kick-ass to be standing there watching a movie on a big scope screen in a showroom that could otherwise only been seen in a commercial cinema.
I think the problem is that the studios will be terrified by the potential for piracy. The extremely high price of the Prima server keeps it relatively inaccessible to all but a very few, thereby highly reducing the chances of piracy. It's also extremely secure, with physical security, and watermarks in the video. As soon as you put new releases on an affordable box, it exposes a nice, clean copy of theatrical releases to the pirate world in a big way. So, I'm not holding my breath, but I can't see how the Prima model will only work for too long... There can't be that many people out there with the means and interest to pay $35k for a box and $500 per movie to see theatrical releases at home.
SC
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Man I'm going to miss Blockbuster. Especially the sale prices. 5 movies for $20 previously viewed.
I watched Blockbuster come in here back in the 80's and put all the little guys out of business. Now they're gone. Too bad.
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nettwerkjohn
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 921 Location: Blenheim, Marlborough, New Zealand
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i hate cloud based delivery. its painful here in nz, our internet is way too flaky and the selection is crap. the biggest difference is in the sound - where is the lossless audio (which for us is a huge jump from dvd). let alone the fact that i couldn't get any of the last 3 movies that i rented on my desktop from itunes to stream to our apple tv. unimpressed. besides, what happens if the net goes down? with a disc, long as i have power i have movies...
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