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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:06 pm    Post subject: Making some progress...

Not sure how good this pic will look on here, however after another couple hours of watching and adjusting im getting a somewhat watchable picture...



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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:43 pm    Post subject:

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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:45 pm    Post subject:

Itd be good if the camera wasnt so grainy...
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fuchs



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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:10 pm    Post subject:

use a longer shutter speed Wink
Looking good! You have that beast hanging in the garage now?

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mc86



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TV/Projector: ECP 4500 (Vidikron box), ECP4500+, wanting 07MS/07MTS, evaluating pc soft-blend

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject:

Is what we see when pause a movie what is actually delivered during playback or does pausing make the image more crappy? I think the image always looks less detailed when paused than when watching a film, but wonder if that is just my brain processing/conceiving motion differently than a still. I am not satisfied by the still image at all, but when watching am happy with it. Am I crazy or is there some rational/accepted truth to this?

I can't see that a test image would somehow look better "playing" than if it weren't a froze single frame, tho', so it must be perception...

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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:40 pm    Post subject:

Matt, its crappier. my TV ones have a freeze function that is better than all BD players I had so far, but simultaneously pressing both pause buttons is alway not perfect.

Nashou

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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:25 am    Post subject:

Nah mate my cine 7 is much better.... you sure you don't want to trade Razz lol , looks great mate stick with it!!! and i do believe i loose quality with the pause as well I might just have to pop around for a movie and beer when im in qld again one day to check it out for myself Smile oh and sticking to curtpalme forum traditions .... you suck Smile
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:27 am    Post subject:

And pizza we'll need pizza!!!
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:43 am    Post subject:

Yummmmm...... Santora's..........
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:52 am    Post subject:

overclkr wrote:
Yummmmm...... Santora's..........



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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:59 am    Post subject:

I cook my own pizzas here made with all fresh stuff, no mass produced fast food here Wink Seeing it in the flesh would certainly show it off alot better mate yeah, so when youre next in QLD, swing by for a look.

Its not paused in the first shot, but the other 2 are, its funny how bad it gets when pic taken with an ordinary digital camera.

Onkel, its my lounge room mate, this is Australia, i live in a steel shed out in the bush Laughing
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:14 am    Post subject:

Case is that Star Wars(episode I)?

That is one movie I have yet to watch since I got my crt projector(star wars marathon soon Thumbs Up and I have all of them on blu ray for the best picture and sound)

Most screen shots do not tell how good a projector pro forms as I found real quick(watched YouTube videos of sets like mine before I got it) it better in person Thumbs Up

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject:

Yes it's episode one on Bluray.

The biggest issue with screen shots, cameras aside, is what people view the images on. Those images were cropped to by able to upload them, but not scaled, and id say there is a good chance most of the viewers are looking at a digital display for this.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:38 am    Post subject:

Thought so and yep I am using a digital display (iPhone)
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:14 am    Post subject:

I still can't get my head around the idea pause is *actually* worse...why would that be true? Nashou has an oppo brp-93, I think, so not like he's got a low-end player...and he claims still-frames on his TVOne (blend head) do look better...how strange! Surely we are kidding ourselves on this...

Hmm, maybe we can see if Mac will chime in...do players utilize different circuits that degrades/lessen IQ when outputing paused video?

And IF pausing displays a "worse" image than during continuous playback, do the setup DVDs display test panels in the "play" or "paused" mode?

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fuchs



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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:24 am    Post subject:

I did notice in the interlaced-video era that in digital-pause, one field would be thrown away. Otherwise the image would shake.
This could still be true for 1080i , but in 1080p I wouldn't see a reason to do so.

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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:25 am    Post subject:

It only looks worse cause motion hides the digital grain that is clearly visible during paused images.
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