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srm73
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:31 pm Post subject: HDFury, Moome, or some other |
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Can anyone give me an idea of what the cheapest method to get 1080i out of my mystery Barco 801 (s?, data?, Graphics?)
The lid says 801s, the splash screen says Barco Data 801 and the text button when pressed changes spash screen to Barco Graphics.
Anywho...
I'd like to be able to do this as cheaply as possible. Is it possible to get a device or use my PC with some specific software to get this effect?
Thank you
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: HDFury, Moome, or some other |
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| srm73 wrote: | Can anyone give me an idea of what the cheapest method to get 1080i out of my mystery Barco 801 (s?, data?, Graphics?)
The lid says 801s, the splash screen says Barco Data 801 and the text button when pressed changes spash screen to Barco Graphics.
Anywho...
I'd like to be able to do this as cheaply as possible. Is it possible to get a device or use my PC with some specific software to get this effect?
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What video card does your PC have?
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srm73
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: HDFury, Moome, or some other |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | srm73 wrote: | Can anyone give me an idea of what the cheapest method to get 1080i out of my mystery Barco 801 (s?, data?, Graphics?)
The lid says 801s, the splash screen says Barco Data 801 and the text button when pressed changes spash screen to Barco Graphics.
Anywho...
I'd like to be able to do this as cheaply as possible. Is it possible to get a device or use my PC with some specific software to get this effect?
Thank you |
What video card does your PC have? |
I was thinking of throwing my old ati 800xt into a system.
Will a PC defeat HDCP? Makes sense that it could but the real question is, can it?
Thank you all for your responses.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: HDFury, Moome, or some other |
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I was thinking of throwing my old ati 800xt into a system.
Will a PC defeat HDCP? Makes sense that it could but the real question is, can it?
Thank you all for your responses. |
It depends on video card, My geforce 7950 surely passes HDCP through, so I guess its ATI counterpart too, but if you play bluray from HDD you can entirely bypass HDCP no matter what VGA card you have.
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: HDFury, Moome, or some other |
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| srm73 wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | srm73 wrote: | Can anyone give me an idea of what the cheapest method to get 1080i out of my mystery Barco 801 (s?, data?, Graphics?)
The lid says 801s, the splash screen says Barco Data 801 and the text button when pressed changes spash screen to Barco Graphics.
Anywho...
I'd like to be able to do this as cheaply as possible. Is it possible to get a device or use my PC with some specific software to get this effect?
Thank you |
What video card does your PC have? |
I was thinking of throwing my old ati 800xt into a system.
Will a PC defeat HDCP? Makes sense that it could but the real question is, can it?
Thank you all for your responses. |
You need ANYDVD-HD on your PC and Catalyst Control Center and/or Powerstrip
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Thanks for all your responses. Once I get the projector in order I'll fire up the pc and see what happens. I'll look online and see if its mentioned anywhere. I read the system needs to be compliant from disk to screen, including the screen.
Which is why hdfury is getting sued. Their product defeats HDCP before the monitor check and thus the movie will not be downscaled or in some cases unplayable.
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| srm73 wrote: | Thanks for all your responses. Once I get the projector in order I'll fire up the pc and see what happens. I'll look online and see if its mentioned anywhere. I read the system needs to be compliant from disk to screen, including the screen.
Which is why hdfury is getting sued. Their product defeats HDCP before the monitor check and thus the movie will not be downscaled or in some cases unplayable. |
Hook up your projector analog, with VGA to RGBHV cable. You'll likely need to set your sync polarity to negative. With AnhDVD-HD installed and ignore HDMI all together.
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | srm73 wrote: | Thanks for all your responses. Once I get the projector in order I'll fire up the pc and see what happens. I'll look online and see if its mentioned anywhere. I read the system needs to be compliant from disk to screen, including the screen.
Which is why hdfury is getting sued. Their product defeats HDCP before the monitor check and thus the movie will not be downscaled or in some cases unplayable. |
Hook up your projector analog, with VGA to RGBHV cable. You'll likely need to set your sync polarity to negative. With AnhDVD-HD installed and ignore HDMI all together. |
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=293&pid=84&psn=&lid=1&leg=1
This says: "Integrated 165 MHz TMDS transmitter (DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready**)"
I've heard down-mixing DVI to VGA doesn't work well. I think it's either the conversion or the pin-out that doesn't match signal 1:1.
That said the "YPrPb component output for HDTV display connection*" seems to be the solution if only it didn't also say:
"Integrated TV Output support up to 1024x768 resolution"
That's a lot of quotations.
Either way it's a little ways off.
If my popcorn hour hadn't crapped out on me I'd try the HDMI converter to VGA. None of it sounds pretty.
At least the ATI card will give me a rangee of output signal in a variety of signal ranges.
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| srm73 wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | srm73 wrote: | Thanks for all your responses. Once I get the projector in order I'll fire up the pc and see what happens. I'll look online and see if its mentioned anywhere. I read the system needs to be compliant from disk to screen, including the screen.
Which is why hdfury is getting sued. Their product defeats HDCP before the monitor check and thus the movie will not be downscaled or in some cases unplayable. |
Hook up your projector analog, with VGA to RGBHV cable. You'll likely need to set your sync polarity to negative. With AnhDVD-HD installed and ignore HDMI all together. |
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=293&pid=84&psn=&lid=1&leg=1
This says: "Integrated 165 MHz TMDS transmitter (DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready**)"
I've heard down-mixing DVI to VGA doesn't work well. I think it's either the conversion or the pin-out that doesn't match signal 1:1.
That said the "YPrPb component output for HDTV display connection*" seems to be the solution if only it didn't also say:
"Integrated TV Output support up to 1024x768 resolution"
That's a lot of quotations.
Either way it's a little ways off.
If my popcorn hour hadn't crapped out on me I'd try the HDMI converter to VGA. None of it sounds pretty.
At least the ATI card will give me a rangee of output signal in a variety of signal ranges. |
I find that a bit hard to believe as I am using a hdmi to vga(via VGA to rgb hv cable)with my ecp4101 and get hd just fine and no discs have gave me a unplaible message and I also use bluray(its kinda like the movie companies way to make it so you can't make copies of the movies on DVD yet it is possible to crack the code and make copies as I have done it before)
Its also not called sow mixing its called transcoding and all that does it change the digital signal to a analog signal the your projector can recive and display
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It's not the cable, it's the laptop.
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I'm somewhat confused (not by your answer I understand the cable is not limiting the signal) by this. Every mode the laptop offers is 60mhz. Is the only reason I'm transmitting at 1024x768 because that's the only resolution the projector can receive at 60mhz?
This seems to be the determining factor in going to PC with a real graphics card which can handle multiple frequencies. My work laptop (compared to my blackfriday $110 special) is really hefty. It has a fairly powerful graphics card and it's stuck at the same resolution.. my guess is that it will only do 60mhz. Thus, confirming the previous hypothesis that 1024x768 is the only resolution the projector can handle at 60mhz.
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It's a driver issue or more specifically a monitor.ini issue. With a regular VGA to VGA cable on a monitor the PC can read the monitors EDID file on pin 11 to see the name of the monitor and all the modes it supports. With the RGBHV cable it can't do that. SO you need to provide an ini file for the PC to tell it what it is connected to.
Your projector should have no problem at 72Hz.
Google for a SONY .ini, such as the G520P or SONY FW900. Load that into the PC and see if it will allow you to change resolutions.
Are you in XP or Winblows 7? I found XP much better for custom resolutions as compared to Win7 BUT I never did the .ini trick because I was working a net book with 7 Starter
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I ran into this when I first setup my Ecp till I used a hdmi to VGA transcoder to get the signal
Now you can use power strip to run the projector with your VGA output on your laptop(which would allow you to use more resolutions then the computer allows
Mine only locks on to 1024x768 max via VGA feed using the converter box I can get more then that(including HD resolutions)
If you want to do it without worry get a HD fury and run the projector that way you will enjoy it more
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | It's a driver issue or more specifically a monitor.ini issue. With a regular VGA to VGA cable on a monitor the PC can read the monitors EDID file on pin 11 to see the name of the monitor and all the modes it supports. With the RGBHV cable it can't do that. SO you need to provide an ini file for the PC to tell it what it is connected to.
Your projector should have no problem at 72Hz.
Google for a SONY .ini, such as the G520P or SONY FW900. Load that into the PC and see if it will allow you to change resolutions.
Are you in XP or Winblows 7? I found XP much better for custom resolutions as compared to Win7 BUT I never did the .ini trick because I was working a net book with 7 Starter |
You just laid some serious knowledge on me man! that's great 
I'm on Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit on all 3 systems.
I'll google this monitor.ini business and see what I can see.
Also please forgive my ignorance using mhz instead of hz.
something seemed off but i wrote it anyway.
the big E - Those converter boxes are big money. I was hoping to find one under $50 to throw on the output of a receiver but I haven't even bought a receiver yet  I've been trying to keep my purchases to a minimum which is why I decided to go with my pc instead of shelling out the 35 clams for the power supply unit to my c200 popcorn hour. Crazy, I know.
Thanks everyone for chiming in.
I found this: http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=GDMFW900
INF but no INI - will INF work as well? it has 3 *.ICM files, the INF and a *.cat file as well.
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Haha oops, INF is correct. My misteak 
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Haha oops, INF is correct. My misteak |
Quite all right, I just wanted to be sure before I went google-crazy finding the ini
I'll give it a shot tonight and see if it works.
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Good thing I have just the right signature.
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