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the big E
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:35 am Post subject: new owner with some questions |
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ok i am new to crt projectors (having owned digital units till lately) i bought a elctrohome ecp 4100 from curt(waiting for him to ship it(hurry curt my digital units bulb is about to its end of life))
now i know i need a transcoder will this work for me?
link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009YP7Y56
also what is the best vga to bnc cable to get for the price(6 foot max)
also will the set i am getting work with my 10 foot 16:9 screen(thats 120 inches)
my current unit is roughly 25 feet from the screen(long throw)
i know the image will be better then what i am getting from my current unit(pixillation at close range)
also i will making a stand for it as i can't ceiling mount the set yet(not sure if the ceiling hight will work yet)
if anybody has any tips or mods that can be done or used i am all ears
i want to make this projector last (without going nuts after two years(my 3d projector decided to give me funky picture))
my current projector is a optoma h27(main) and a vivatk qumi q2(for 3d yet rarely use)
also the distance calculator that curt has didn't work for me(said something about missing files) so i need to know if the ecp will be about the same distance from the screen or not
i plan on building a htpc but i haven't had the time to do it yet
i have a hdtv set top box for my tv tuner(samsung)
samsung dvd recorder/vcr
sony blu ray(3d capable)
sony av receiver (everything is switched through this via hdmi)
sony ps3/nintendo wii(may get the wii u soon)
i already have a hdmi cable going to my projector
one last thing how quiet is these units(my current unit is 28db) if too loud i can swap out the fans for less noisy ones(i can get computer fans that are really quiet)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:53 am Post subject: |
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If youre building a HTPC you dont need the fury at all, run the RGB straight into the inputs on the projector. For the other items you can either use a HD Fury ( not that one in your link, get at least a HD Fury 3, may as well make it worth your while )
Itll work fine on your screen, hard to say how bright itll be, but with the lights all out it should be adequate.
If youre swapping fans make sure you maintain simular levels of airflow.
If youre making a stand for it, you might like to try getting the tubes as perpendicular to the screen as you can to use less keystone, use more phosphor, and then itll be brighter, tubes may last longer.
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | If youre building a HTPC you dont need the fury at all, run the RGB straight into the inputs on the projector. For the other items you can either use a HD Fury ( not that one in your link, get at least a HD Fury 3, may as well make it worth your while )
Itll work fine on your screen, hard to say how bright itll be, but with the lights all out it should be adequate.
If youre swapping fans make sure you maintain simular levels of airflow.
If youre making a stand for it, you might like to try getting the tubes as perpendicular to the screen as you can to use less keystone, use more phosphor, and then itll be brighter, tubes may last longer. |
not sure when i will build the machine yet(hence i want to just get the one in the link for now)
the one in the link though will it work with my stuff though(i don't want to spend much on the whole setup right now)
for the stand i will make sure the tubes a perpendicular as i hate using keystone(it does nothing for a digital unit in picture quality anyway)
i will try and get higher cfm fans that are really quiet (if that don't work i will be building a hush box for the set)
i forgot to mention that i have controllable lighting also so lighting will be no problem
i am currently on a budget since i am restoring a classic car(it needs a new paint job and a few other things)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Keystone wont really hurt image on CRT like it does on digital, just reduces the tube face area used.
I dont trust that unit in the link to be really good enough for the task. Could be ok, but it looks to be a knock off to me.
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Keystone wont really hurt image on CRT like it does on digital, just reduces the tube face area used.
I dont trust that unit in the link to be really good enough for the task. Could be ok, but it looks to be a knock off to me. |
I looked it up on my phone(somehow the link messed up) but its a legit amazon link for I think if I am not mistaken a HD fury 2(I may get it and see if its the real thing or some cheap knock off as I have bought stuff from there before with no problems after I get my projector)
I don't really like using keystone(I have my digital unit to where I don't need keystone) so I will do the same with my crt(more tube surface used means brighter image(am I right?))
I will look it up on my computer and repost the amazon link for the unit
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Youre right to a degree, but using abit of keystone on a CRT will basically have no noticable effect on image quality.
The link works, but unless HD Fury totally changed the design, its not a HD Fury 2. Ill have a closer look. It may well be fine!!
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:20 am Post subject: |
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On 2nd look, buy that at your own risk 
I see no specs or bandwidth listed there.
See if someone else will vouch for it first!!
What is a MOOME box worth these days?
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gjaky
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The ECP4100 has about 65MHz bandwidth, I am wondering to what extent it matters how good is the HDMI converter.
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | On 2nd look, buy that at your own risk
I see no specs or bandwidth listed there.
See if someone else will vouch for it first!!
What is a MOOME box worth these days? |
Case I went on the hd fury website and the one I link is in fact a counterfeit unit(doh)
I am just pay the 100 bucks and get one through the HD fury site(so I know its the real thing)
One tip off was that it has HD fury pro on the unit in the pic(one in the list of fakes)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Yep, thats what i was afraid of!! At that price i figured it would be pretty substandard in one way or another. Keep a look out for good used Fury units, they will come up from time to time
Gabór, i know his machine isnt exactly top end, but i still wouldnt recomend using a knock off copy!! 
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Yep, thats what i was afraid of!! At that price i figured it would be pretty substandard in one way or another. Keep a look out for good used Fury units, they will come up from time to time
Gabór, i know his machine isnt exactly top end, but i still wouldnt recomend using a knock off copy!! |
Case I can get one on the HD fury website for 100 bucks and it will work for my setup and can do 1080 if I need to but most likely I will be running my set at 720p as the tubes won't display 1080 sharp anyway
Plus I am getting this as a starter and I will most likely upgrade later on
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Make sure to get the power supply.
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mc86
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Welcome! I'll reply more in days to come, but note that the HDF you buy I think needs to be model II or III as the first didn't have the shift feature -- I have a 4500 and, IIRC, read that was the case and do recall bumping the image to be centered (it was wrapping a bit). I couldn't find where I read that, so maybe I'm crazy on this.
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Make sure to get the power supply. |
Ok
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| mc86 wrote: | Welcome! I'll reply more in days to come, but note that the HDF you buy I think needs to be model II or III as the first didn't have the shift feature -- I have a 4500 and, IIRC, read that was the case and do recall bumping the image to be centered (it was wrapping a bit). I couldn't find where I read that, so maybe I'm crazy on this.
Matt |
I am going to get the HD fury 2(I thought the one in the link I had posted was a legit unit but its a copy)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Does the HDF2 have side shift?
I dont know alot about that machine youre getting, but youd be best off doing 1920x1080i i reckon. It wont do that in progressive, if it displays it itll be very soft on SD187 tubes. Try 720p as well, but i reckon 1080i will look better.
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the big E
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Does the HDF2 have side shift?
I dont know alot about that machine youre getting, but youd be best off doing 1920x1080i i reckon. It wont do that in progressive, if it displays it itll be very soft on SD187 tubes. Try 720p as well, but i reckon 1080i will look better. |
i will be trying both 720p and 1080i to see which one i like best(it is the ecp4100) curt told me it can lock on up to 1080p but i will try both settings and see which i like best(my 3d digital unit is 720p)
i was wondering if the one i am getting is louder then my current unit or not(optoma h27)not that it matters anyway i will most likely make a hush box for it after swapping out the fans for some quieter ones
given that this is my first crt projector i want to make the best of it till i upgrade to a higher end unit(keeping the ecp in case of needing it as a backup unit)
as soon as i get my set i will be busy makeing a stand for it and setting it up for my screen(thats going to be a fun day  )
the one i am getting has two rgb inputs so i may be able to have my home theater equipment and a htpc on the same unit(provided i can get around to building the htpc)i may get the pc done before i get the hdfury(not sure)
i redid the convergence on a rear projection tv i had(early 90's set) and it took me 6 hours to do the green tube(same for the others) but once i got it done it looked amazing(better then any digital tv i own to date)but i don't have it no more and i hope to do the same with the projector i am getting(but keep it a lot longer then i did the tv)
i won't know if the hdf2 has the side shift or not(need to look at the manual on the website) but i will find out
i also need to get a via to rgbhv cable(for both inputs) along with video to rgb adaptors for the video inputs(the later i can get at a local radio shack not sure on the first one)
ps i do know if i upgrade projectors later on i will also upgrade to a higher end hdfury
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HDFury2 has an automatic centering circuit on Component only, not RGB.
HDfury3 has the centering adjustment circuit (manually adjustable) but it a little overkill for an ECP.
Since you intend to upgrade later on to a better projector you may want to opt for the HDFury3. However, if you are planing a Sony G90 or Marquee 9500 upgrade you could consider the internal moome card for either of those instead.
For a budget ES focused projector I'd recommend an HDFury1 with power supply. It's good bang for the bucks.
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | HDFury2 has an automatic centering circuit on Component only, not RGB.
HDfury3 has the centering adjustment circuit (manually adjustable) but it a little overkill for an ECP.
Since you intend to upgrade later on to a better projector you may want to opt for the HDFury3. However, if you are planing a Sony G90 or Marquee 9500 upgrade you could consider the internal moome card for either of those instead.
For a budget ES focused projector I'd recommend an HDFury1 with power supply. It's good bang for the bucks. |
right now the hd fury 3 is out of my budget(upgrading in the middle of a car restoration  ) so i will see if i can find the hd fury1 for now
i looked at both sets and didn't know which would be the better upgrade unit (i have experience with sony with tvs)i guess it will depend on how this this electrohome ecp serves me but it looks like it will serve me well till i upgrade
i looked at the moome card it looks like a great add on (a bit pricey but compared to the projector who cares
 considering the picture)
i noticed there is more then one sony set that the moome card works with which is nice(i may end up being brand loyal though and stick with the elctrohome brand(again depends on how this unit serves me))
it ships sometime next week so i will update when i get it(if not sooner)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Id go with 3D Fury or a MOOME 1.4 box if it was me, then youre covered for a fair while to come.
While the 4100 may display 1080p, its still SD187 tubes, and they arent known for razor sharpness. I would expect 1080i to look best followed by 720p. 1080i will be less effort for the projector. 1080p will look terrible on that machine if it displays it at all.
If youre watching DVD, youd do just as good to view them at either 576p or 480p, depending on what they were put on the disc at. Pretty pointless upscaling them much on that projector.
Dont confuse what the projector will display with what it can suitably display. Big difference, especially on a machine like that.
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