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mad mike
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Yeah it's been awhile . I started a thread over on the crt site about a sony 1272q that I've got . Long story short it turns out that it would be impossible to set up the sony in my theater . I recently found a deal on a pioneer fpj 1 . It has a nice picture and easy set up but one problem with it . Whenever there is a dark scene with lights in it (torches or light bulbs at night ) the light appears to bleed into the rest of the picture diagonally .Kind of like when you squint into the sun or any other bright light and you see the light trailing off in shafts to the side . It happens when the pioneer logo comes on except the light goes from the p to the left and the r to the right . I'm using it with the vutec screen that came with the sony which I
realise is not optimal . I then tried it with a white sheet and a few other surfaces . This lessens the effect but does not completely eliminate it . I really like to get into the bigscreen game but I can't seem to get a break . Can this be a lens issue ? Can this be repaired ?
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WanMan
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Is this a DLP projector?
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Jeremy112
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The Pioneer Pro-FPJ1 is a JVC RS-1 Rebadged and tweaked to Pioneers specifications. It is not an issue with a color wheel, it sounds like the lens might be dirty enough that its causing a haze effect. However, since I cannot see the actual issue happening, I cannot say for sure what it is
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ecrabb
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TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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Mike, can you pause a movie or display something that causes this behavior and take a couple of photos for us to see?
I tend to agree with Jeremy that this is probably dirt/grime/haze (causing diffusion) in the light path. The FPJ1 is 2-4 years old at this point, so depending on environment, it could have certainly accumulated some crap in the optical path.
Where'd you get the FPJ1 if you don't mind me asking? I was looking for used JVC's (and the Pioneer), and watching ebay, and I couldn't believe what people were paying for four-year-old models with no warranty. I got frustrated, gave up and bought a current model (though B-stock).
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mad mike
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Thank you guys for responding so quickly to my questions . I tried over at avs to no avail . I'll work on getting some photos out but hopefully you're on the money about the haze . Ecrabb I found it on craigslist locally . Try audiogon or videogon or the classifieds on many a home theater forum. It just hit me .There's somebody here in north jersey selling one for 1800 which is a bit pricey but they are available . Happy Hunting .
PS got mine for 975
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mad mike
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This will teach me to always ask the pros when you have a pj question . Yeah it was dirty optics all along . I feel stupid and relieved at the same time . Ten dollars worth of fluid and camera cloth was all I needed . Thank you for the tip . Next up is a screen.
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ecrabb
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| mad mike wrote: | | There's somebody here in north jersey selling one for 1800 which is a bit pricey but they are available . Happy Hunting . |
$1800 is completely insane. That better come with a mount, a spare lamp, boxes and manuals, and then he still better be ready to deal a little.
| mad mike wrote: | | PS got mine for 975 |
That's very reasonable. If I'd seen anything for close to that, I probably would have given it a shot. I gave up though and bought a B-stock RS45 from AV Science. So far, I'm very impressed. I love that it's dead silent.
Glad you got your optics cleaned up and it looks good. Excellent!
Cheers,
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WanMan
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Yeah, it is crazy what some people are asking for the JVC projectors that are several generations (ahem, years) old. I think I over-paid in hindsight, but at least I got it B-stock with warranty. If I were to buy one today I wouldn't pay half as much. Not a knock on the product, but rather my personal (stubbornness) when it comes to things.
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mad mike
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| ecrabb wrote: | | mad mike wrote: | | There's somebody here in north jersey selling one for 1800 which is a bit pricey but they are available . Happy Hunting . |
$1800 is completely insane. That better come with a mount, a spare lamp, boxes and manuals, and then he still better be ready to deal a little.
| mad mike wrote: | | PS got mine for 975 |
That's very reasonable. If I'd seen anything for close to that, I probably would have given it a shot. I gave up though and bought a B-stock RS45 from AV Science. So far, I'm very impressed. I love that it's dead silent.
Glad you got your optics cleaned up and it looks good. Excellent!
Cheers,
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Actually the one I lost out on was close to this price and came with two bulbs (one 400 hours one 600 ) and an elite screen for 125 extra . I could kick myself for missing that one which is why I jumped at this one . Now I'm looking for a used panamorph lens with a reasonable price .
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HogPilot
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| Jeremy112 wrote: | | The Pioneer Pro-FPJ1 is a JVC RS-1 Rebadged and tweaked to Pioneers specifications. It is not an issue with a color wheel, it sounds like the lens might be dirty enough that its causing a haze effect. However, since I cannot see the actual issue happening, I cannot say for sure what it is |
The FPJ1 is an RS2 clone, not an RS1 clone. JVC doubled the CR jumping from the RS1 to RS2, but the latter only puts out 600 rather than 700 calibrated lumens. They also added 11-point greyscale/gamma adjustment, and made some other incremental performance improvements. After all the carefully-worded marketing claims from Pioneer, in the end the FPJ1 turned out to be virtually identical to the RS2, minus a couple nomenclature differences in the firmware which had zero functional impact.
That is an exceptional deal - the RS50 is only one generation old and sold for at least $5500 - $6500 new (depending on where and when you got it). The prices on last generation's projectors are artificially low due to some of the bulb issues, and I think in part due to e-shift (i.e. 4K-lite) on this generation's projectors. Because the changes from one generation to the next are generally evolutionary rather than revolutionary, last gen's JVC's with low hours usually don't devalue more than $1K-$1.5K.
However I agree that $1800 for a 4-gen old JVC is absurd. RS-1's are now selling used for under $1K, an RS2 shouldn't go for more than $1200-$1500 at the absolute most.
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ecrabb
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| HogPilot wrote: | | However I agree that $1800 for a 4-gen old JVC is absurd. RS-1's are now selling used for under $1K, an RS2 shouldn't go for more than $1200-$1500 at the absolute most. |
I think an RS2 for $1500 is even a bit high. Honestly, unless there are extras like spare lamps, I'd want to be in where the OP is - about a grand for the RS2/FPJ-1. The RS1 should be less, IMHO. That's now a 4-year old machine, no warranty, and way back in terms of performance compared to current models.
I bought my B-stock RS45 (for those who don't keep up, a current model) from AV Science for $2100. That was after I missed out on the RS40 B-stock deal for $1800. While I realize B-stock deals aren't plentiful enough to have any significant effect on the used market, it certainly played into my decision to pass on all the used stuff because I just couldn't justify paying the used market pricing on 3-4 generation-old machines (most with no warranty and questionable remaining lamp life) compared to a new (B-stock) projector with full manufacturer warranty.
I just couldn't believe the prices on ebay... An RS-2 or Pioneer FPJ1 that could need a lamp literally almost right away, selling for $1200 or more. Once you put a lamp in it, you'd be at $1500, which isn't much less than Pioneer was blowing them out for a few years ago, and only $300 (one lamp!) less than AV Science was selling B-stock RS40's - with full warranty! Yeah, I know how much the Pioneer was originally, but still...
I guess I just know too much.
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HogPilot
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| ecrabb wrote: | I think an RS2 for $1500 is even a bit high. Honestly, unless there are extras like spare lamps, I'd want to be in where the OP is - about a grand for the RS2/FPJ-1. The RS1 should be less, IMHO. That's now a 4-year old machine, no warranty, and way back in terms of performance compared to current models.
I bought my B-stock RS45 (for those who don't keep up, a current model) from AV Science for $2100. That was after I missed out on the RS40 B-stock deal for $1800. While I realize B-stock deals aren't plentiful enough to have any significant effect on the used market, it certainly played into my decision to pass on all the used stuff because I just couldn't justify paying the used market pricing on 3-4 generation-old machines (most with no warranty and questionable remaining lamp life) compared to a new (B-stock) projector with full manufacturer warranty.
I just couldn't believe the prices on ebay... An RS-2 or Pioneer FPJ1 that could need a lamp literally almost right away, selling for $1200 or more. Once you put a lamp in it, you'd be at $1500, which isn't much less than Pioneer was blowing them out for a few years ago, and only $300 (one lamp!) less than AV Science was selling B-stock RS40's - with full warranty! Yeah, I know how much the Pioneer was originally, but still...
I guess I just know too much.
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Actually I agree with everything you said - I should have clarified that my "high end" price would have to include some of the goodies you mentioned to be acceptable.
The used projector market is very dynamic, so it sounds like you know a very suitable amount to me 
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