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noos@xp37+
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:56 am Post subject: Finally, 25 years of powerlifting and bodybuilding pay off |
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[Edit: New pics (of the electronics) added with a new post down the page. While disassembling my hushbox/hushroom to reach the Ultra, I also found my HDIH again. As I have started reading about Frankenyokes, I wanted to see what kind of Yokes the sharp HDIH tubes use. Soon (my soon can take long) I will compare the Ultra with HD10F´s vs. the HDIH Nikkon lenses.
Hello fans,
today I have a rare specimen for you: The Sony HDIH series
Just a short read as entry for you... http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/history/topic/118504-1.html or check google for Sony + "HDIH 1200", "HDIH 2000"...
Thanks to DVD99 I was finally able to get one of those 9" EMF machines. In my case a HDIH-2000. There are also 1200, 2400, 2400, 3000. Erase that last zero from the type number, and then you know for what screen sizes (inch 4:3 diagonal!) they were designed for. And that is not only the lenses, but als tube angles (they are stiff!) and Scheimpflug (not existent!). If you want to use them on a different screen size, you have some good tolerance with the lens focus, but you will lose phosphor because of stiff tube angle, and you have to work with spacers on a LC system. Not very promising, but the biggest problem are certainly parts for such rare machines. I even traced some 6 more of them, but this seller asks close to 5 grands (Euros), so I guess they will be available for ever. But all of this machines have serious problem after years. All have their input board fully corroded, so there is no input possible, just test patterns. I use the Sony ccqbrs cable from sony plus a Sony switcher to feed the HDIH.
Cable an switcher: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=344473
The HDIH is based on the IFB system, but it has a double input board in one ifb slot. And I do not want to be the first to try to put an IFB10/12/DVI card there. But the seller of the other six told me he uses parts from a 1272 to recover his HDIHs inputs, so he probably meant the IFB cards. By the way, there is now way to point out how far ahead this machines were, so just as a short note here: The input boards of the HDIH accepted HD component signals in ~1989.
Tubes (Sony 09MH)/lenses (Nikkon): Are insane sharp, I have problems getting my Ultra with a PT22-19 hirez there! But but but but: The bandwidth is far too low. You can not watch 1080i, because you can count the scanline from times the screen width. And it really scans 95khz (guess 35khz are the safe zone from Sony), but that will not get you very far. Long before you reach a point where scanlines begin to step back, the electronic softens the picture. So you can get a good 720p48/50/60 16/9 on it, but then you will have a little loss in sharpness. So this machines a good for 2:35 setups, but it bands with 1920x800p 48, until you add 300 extra porches - so not usable. Everything beyond 660 lines progressive at low refresh is a hard thing to get stable, and a good scaler is a must must must with every setup. Perhaps someone can explain this oval astig thing to me, and if it really helps with scanline overlap, without too much degradation.
We all know the 12XX and g70/90 remotes, and I use bot of them plus the original. But the original one is like a 12xx remote with the HDVision letters on. Did you Sony guys ever ask what the lens focus buttons in the lower right corner are for? Probably for digitals, but definitely for the motorized Nikkon lenses of the HDIH . The lenses are sharp sharp sharp, no competition with anything I have seen (for sure analog, but they even...no joke!). No corner focus, but sharp from edge to edge and corner to corner when used within the specs of the machine.
And there are also the focus control buttons in the lower right of the Sony remotes, and yes, in 1989 the HDIH has focus in five zones (center, left, right ,top, bottom). The rest, but the memory management is very close to the 12xx series. All menus, zone convergence and so on. It is insane how fast you get a good picture of it, without the need of opening the HDIH.
I will add photos of the electronics when my photographers are back here with equipment next time, and also for moving the HDIH. They are also my gym partners. But without removing the lenses, and even then, the HDIH is terrible to carry. I can lift 400 pounds, and I am tiny compared to my gym partners, but the HDIH was the first machine I really got in trouble with my "digital" friends. They are great and support me with my hobby, but to bring the HDIH down in the basement was just dangerous for all of us. There holes for handles like with a G70 or G90, but certainly they where not included in my deal. But I have other collectors items like original remote, and manuals. But I really could need the lenses from a HDIH-1200, or a full machine, because my room and my screen is smaller now.
Have fun
Marc
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noos@xp37+
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....some more pics plus broken ones. Please guess where the analog hour meter is.
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noos@xp37+
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....some more pics plus broken ones. Please guess where the analog hour meter is.
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noos@xp37+
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no idea why these photos are mentioned, but not displayed?
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kal
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barclay66
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Lister wrote: | | noos@xp37+ wrote: | | ....some more pics plus broken ones. Please guess where the analog hour meter is. |
What are those 3 'fuses' with the 0-10 scale on them, a way to gauge how badly they fail by how much wire is vapourised? |
Ha,
Those "fuses" are the hour meters!!!
I have seen such before. I'll be back with an example...
Regards,
barclay66
Edit: Here is some example http://www.flickr.com/photos/simplesimon/3020155335/
I have similar ones inside my industrial Laserdisc Players...
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, thanks for posting... I never got before now that the HDIH was THAT much bigger than the 12xx chassis. It's HUGE!
Very cool!
SC
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HaydnG90
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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You must have a very understanding SO
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noos@xp37+
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Lister wrote: | | noos@xp37+ wrote: | | ....some more pics plus broken ones. Please guess where the analog hour meter is. |
In pic SAM_3065.JPG there is a wiring loom in the projector next to the drink bottle, next to that wiring loom there is a small circuit board that looks like it has an LED display, is that the analog hour meter that possibly shows the hours in multiples of 10 as it looks to be a 2 digit display?
Why does the blue tube have a different housing to the rest?
What are those 3 'fuses' with the 0-10 scale on them, a way to gauge how badly they fail by how much wire is vapourised? |
Hello,
SAM_3065 is a 1272, just a coincidence that it is there. But a very very good eye sight Dave Lister, finding the two digits on the 1272 - your eyes will stay a long time with CRTs, as digitals must hurt them. I would have never seen these LEDs. But please do not drink from a bottle close to a CRT construction yard. Like in my case, I used a gape juice bottle for glycol. My photographer wanted to remove the bottle, but I said no, no, no. All people that will see these photos do abuse similar bottles in their home labs for glycol.
And Barclay66, 10 points for identifying the hour meter - you have really proven your knowledge and earned to test the HMD (but I will not make it to Hochbrück this week).
These pictures close to the 1272 are about the weird C-elements of the HDIH. I took one down from blue to analyze. Please look carefully and compare to the HD10 C-element on the left. Both elements are always facing top or bottom at the same time. And now try to see that the solid HDIH element has a flat surface facing the tube face But it is def. LC contrast on a HDIH lighted screen.
And thanks kal for the info about picture sizes.
@Handyg90: Please what is a SO?
Marc
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HaydnG90
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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SO=significant other ie wife, live-in girlfriend, 4 legged friend etc
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noos@xp37+
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| HaydnG90 wrote: | | SO=significant other ie wife, live-in girlfriend, 4 legged friend etc |
Well, it is just a basement no one else wants to use. Basements have a very small WAF to begin with. You should have seen the room before these CRTs occupied it. If you just leave a window open over the night, there are more CRTs there the next I morning - that is waht I say when I get asked. But I also have the theory of natuaral propagation between CRTs.
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Dave Lister
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| noos@xp37+ wrote: | | Dave Lister wrote: | | noos@xp37+ wrote: | | ....some more pics plus broken ones. Please guess where the analog hour meter is. |
In pic SAM_3065.JPG there is a wiring loom in the projector next to the drink bottle, next to that wiring loom there is a small circuit board that looks like it has an LED display, is that the analog hour meter that possibly shows the hours in multiples of 10 as it looks to be a 2 digit display?
Why does the blue tube have a different housing to the rest?
What are those 3 'fuses' with the 0-10 scale on them, a way to gauge how badly they fail by how much wire is vapourised? |
Hello,
SAM_3065 is a 1272, just a coincidence that it is there. But a very very good eye sight Dave Lister, finding the two digits on the 1272 - your eyes will stay a long time with CRTs, as digitals must hurt them. I would have never seen these LEDs. But please do not drink from a bottle close to a CRT construction yard. Like in my case, I used a gape juice bottle for glycol. My photographer wanted to remove the bottle, but I said no, no, no. All people that will see these photos do abuse similar bottles in their home labs for glycol.
And Barclay66, 10 points for identifying the hour meter - you have really proven your knowledge and earned to test the HMD (but I will not make it to Hochbrück this week).
These pictures close to the 1272 are about the weird C-elements of the HDIH. I took one down from blue to analyze. Please look carefully and compare to the HD10 C-element on the left. Both elements are always facing top or bottom at the same time. And now try to see that the solid HDIH element has a flat surface facing the tube face But it is def. LC contrast on a HDIH lighted screen.
And thanks kal for the info about picture sizes.
@Handyg90: Please what is a SO?
Marc |
Cheers mate, I like your humour too. 
| barclay66 wrote: | | Dave Lister wrote: | | noos@xp37+ wrote: | | ....some more pics plus broken ones. Please guess where the analog hour meter is. |
What are those 3 'fuses' with the 0-10 scale on them, a way to gauge how badly they fail by how much wire is vapourised? |
Ha,
Those "fuses" are the hour meters!!!
I have seen such before. I'll be back with an example...
Regards,
barclay66
Edit: Here is some example http://www.flickr.com/photos/simplesimon/3020155335/
I have similar ones inside my industrial Laserdisc Players... |
I had considered that but dismissed it before posting the question as I couldn't work out how they would function that way, do you have a link to more info on them?
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barclay66
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I'm still looking for more information. As soon as I find something I'll post it over here...
Regards,
barclay66
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noos@xp37+
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| HaydnG90 wrote: | | You must have a very understanding SO |
A man who cant do what he likes to do when he likes to do it due to a woman needs to give her the boot and find the right woman. Any woman that attempts to prevent you enjoying yourself the way you want to is the WRONG woman for you, and there is no two ways about it. 
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Damn! I so don't miss this any more.
Doesn't the Sony HDVS scan at 1125 lines at 5:3 aspect ratio? That was an 80's standard they "thought" would be in use today.
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| Tinman wrote: | Doesn't the Sony HDVS scan at 1125 lines at 5:3 aspect ratio? That was an 80's standard they "thought" would be in use today.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_HDVS
Yeah, the HDVS system was some pretty amazing stuff for the time though.. and all of it was amazingly expensive, like the $200k HDD-1000 1" recorder from 1987 or so. High-def reel-to-reel with 8 channels of digital audio.. sounds like a wet dream to Curt, probably 
There's one on ebay for $200. It's useless though as it's missing the processor, which you'll never find as the machines are so scarce to begin with. http://www.vtoldboys.com/vtpic015.htm
Thanks for sharing the pics of the HDIH! it would still be fun to play with one, even though they're fairly boat-anchorous these days
Most VTRs and high-end audio recorders from the 80's & 90's used those mercury hour meters for total time & head time -- when it gets to the end of the scale you flip them around so they run in the opposite direction.
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