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G70 - ran out of raster - 1080p

 
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bachiano



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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: G70 - ran out of raster - 1080p

Chain = PS3 > Moome IFB-FULLHD v3 > G70.

(ceiling mount) Folding and distortion on the left side.
Moved image to the right as much as I can without cutting off the image.

No problem with lower resolutions.

Any way to solve this without resorting to a VP?

Thanks



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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:51 pm    Post subject:

Does the Moome have any porch adjusting capability?

If not reduce image size and shift off center. Similar to other PJs that shift the raster off center.

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:05 am    Post subject:

Moome doesn't. Need a VP
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:33 am    Post subject:

Weird, I just have a tiny bit of banding on the left couple of inches of screen on my G70. Definitely no raster-wrap.

I have a PS3 also, but I use the HD Fury for D/A. I guess the Fury must have a bit more porch in the signal than does the Moome.

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:56 am    Post subject:

The moome has image shift but I don't think that is going to help me.

Is there a way to expand raster and contract image?
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:14 am    Post subject:

AFryia wrote:
If not reduce image size and shift off center. Similar to other PJs that shift the raster off center.



Ok -I'll try that.

Thanks again AFryia.
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:12 am    Post subject:

AFryia wrote:

If not reduce image size and shift off center. Similar to other PJs that shift the raster off center.

Nope. That did not work.
I guess cause I have no Raster left.
When I reduce RGB Size, the Image gets smaller along with the Raster.

Image wrap remains no matter what size I make the Image/Raster.
Why would the Image be larger that the Raster anyway?
Why is the Raster not automatically larger than the Image as in the lower resolutions ?

???

Is there a way to resize the image independent off the raster ?
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:51 am    Post subject:

The SIZE key is what controls raster size.

RGB SIZE is the active image.

You want to increase raster (SIZE) and try decreasing image size (RGB SIZE) to compensate.

The raster-wrap is the projector starting to draw the beginning of the scan line before the beam has returned to the beginning of the scan. This happens when the front- and back porch (horizontal blanking interval) gets too small. The Moome must have just enough smaller porch the the G70 won't handle it like the 1080p from my HD Fury.

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject:

What I always do on a G70 when I hit this problem is to apply blanking to the left and right sides to cover the bend in the image. After that, center the image in what's left of the usable raster space and move on with your setup. You will now have some overscan on the sides, but it's not a terrible amount. Increase the height of the image and apply blanking such that the overscan is equal on all four sides.

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:38 pm    Post subject:

craigr

I will try that.
I did notice that it is not the image that is wrapping.
The image is full.
It is the raster itself that is wrapping and creating the line shown on the left of my first pic.

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject:

craigr

The tip worked for getting rid of the line and distortion
but this solution did not feel very satisfying.
Although, since I'm only loosing 1.25% of the image with the overscan, I suppose I don't have much too complain about.

I'm going to contact Moome and see if he has any suggestions.

Have you tested the new IFB-FULLHD v3 yet?

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject:

bachiano wrote:
craigr

The tip worked for getting rid of the line and distortion
but this solution did not feel very satisfying.
Although, since I'm only loosing 1.25% of the image with the overscan, I suppose I don't have much too complain about.

I'm going to contact Moome and see if he has any suggestions.

Have you tested the new IFB-FULLHD v3 yet?

Thanks

There isn't anything Moome can do about this and it is not an issue with your Moome IFB. I am also not sure that the HDF versus Moome IFBs are the difference. I think there is actually some variation between G70's where some can do better with standard porch timings than other machines.

Either the HDF or Moome solutions should simply pass on the timings provided to them in the digital domain. What you need is a video processor to create custom horizontal timings to increase the front porch.

All that being said, 1.5% overscan is really nothing to worry about. If you are going to watch DVD and TV on the projector and not just BD, than you need some overscan anyway to cover up the garbage on the top and sides of many stations and DVDs.

I have Moome's new V3 board here but I have not had any time to test it yet. I hope it is as good as the V2.

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject:

CIR Engineering wrote:

There isn't anything Moome can do about this and it is not an issue with your Moome IFB. I am also not sure that the HDF versus Moome IFBs are the difference. I think there is actually some variation between G70's where some can do better with standard porch timings than other machines.

Either the HDF or Moome solutions should simply pass on the timings provided to them in the digital domain. What you need is a video processor to create custom horizontal timings to increase the front porch.

All that being said, 1.5% overscan is really nothing to worry about. If you are going to watch DVD and TV on the projector and not just BD, than you need some overscan anyway to cover up the garbage on the top and sides of many stations and DVDs.

I have Moome's new V3 board here but I have not had any time to test it yet. I hope it is as good as the V2.

craigr


Ok then. I won't bother moome with this.
Can wait to hear what you discover about the V.3
Thanks for the info and all the help.

BTW - we don't watch TV or DVD's - only BR :-/ and my son plays Games.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject:

bachiano wrote:
CIR Engineering wrote:

There isn't anything Moome can do about this and it is not an issue with your Moome IFB. I am also not sure that the HDF versus Moome IFBs are the difference. I think there is actually some variation between G70's where some can do better with standard porch timings than other machines.

Either the HDF or Moome solutions should simply pass on the timings provided to them in the digital domain. What you need is a video processor to create custom horizontal timings to increase the front porch.

All that being said, 1.5% overscan is really nothing to worry about. If you are going to watch DVD and TV on the projector and not just BD, than you need some overscan anyway to cover up the garbage on the top and sides of many stations and DVDs.

I have Moome's new V3 board here but I have not had any time to test it yet. I hope it is as good as the V2.

craigr


Ok then. I won't bother moome with this.
Can wait to hear what you discover about the V.3
Thanks for the info and all the help.

BTW - we don't watch TV or DVD's - only BR :-/ and my son plays Games.

Well for games and BD you could theoretically run maybe 0.5% overscan if you have a VP.

You could always ask Moome about the issue... I could be wrong and I would be curious Wink

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:09 pm    Post subject:

Now you tell me Wink

I already emailed him to "never mind"
I'll email him again to resumit the question.

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