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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:19 pm Post subject: 1600x1200 and a couple other resolution observations... |
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Hi people
I was just doing some setting up here before with the XG, and thought id give 1600x1200 a go since that is what i use on my CRT monitor, and i was quite amazed at how sharp it came up.
I was expecting it to be as soft as sh**, but it was actually better than 1920x1080p by quite a hell of alot, cause 1920x1080p is rather a long way off center and correcting this isnt possible with the position menu. Can get very close, but the banding is shocking anyway, and 1920x1080i looks WAY better, as does 720p.
Good to know if i ever play some games on the PC again...
If i try 720p @ 50Hz, u cant get enough width on the picture to fill the width of the screen. This is what my Harman/Kardon puts out from the Faroudja DCDi scaler it has built in. ( 3 output modes, one is 576i, which you cant select if there is anything connected to HDMI or Component, then there is 576p and 720p )
The bluray player automatically puts out 50Hz on DVDs, cant change that withough changing res. I have been running 576p out of the H/K, as i noted above, if i set for 720p output, the porches are too big on 50Hz and cant get enough width. Which is a shame, cause it is a noticable difference from 576p ( not much, but enough )
So far ive been aiming the bluray res at 1920x1080i @60Hz, although i have also set up 1280x720p @60Hz and had a look between the 2.
Id love to get that 720p to work wider with my setup, but wont really mater yet
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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Can you come setup my XG? I'm close as a neighbor in the stellar sense of things.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: 1600x1200 and a couple other resolution observations... |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Hi people
I was just doing some setting up here before with the XG, and thought id give 1600x1200 a go since that is what i use on my CRT monitor, and i was quite amazed at how sharp it came up.
I was expecting it to be as soft as sh**, but it was actually better than 1920x1080p by quite a hell of alot, cause 1920x1080p is rather a long way off center and correcting this isnt possible with the position menu. Can get very close, but the banding is shocking anyway, and 1920x1080i looks WAY better, as does 720p.
Good to know if i ever play some games on the PC again...
If i try 720p @ 50Hz, u cant get enough width on the picture to fill the width of the screen. This is what my Harman/Kardon puts out from the Faroudja DCDi scaler it has built in. ( 3 output modes, one is 576i, which you cant select if there is anything connected to HDMI or Component, then there is 576p and 720p )
The bluray player automatically puts out 50Hz on DVDs, cant change that withough changing res. I have been running 576p out of the H/K, as i noted above, if i set for 720p output, the porches are too big on 50Hz and cant get enough width. Which is a shame, cause it is a noticable difference from 576p ( not much, but enough )
So far ive been aiming the bluray res at 1920x1080i @60Hz, although i have also set up 1280x720p @60Hz and had a look between the 2.
Id love to get that 720p to work wider with my setup, but wont really mater yet  |
Welcome to the world of NEC XG Timings
I would recommend picking up a video processor if at all possible, 1920x1080p looks excellent on my XG, not uber sharp, but with the VP I can eliminate image banding. Everything I have feeds into the VP and outputs to the XG at 1080p, the frequency is a bit off from standard, as I do not beleive the VP can do 1080p 72hz (At least it wouldnt let me the last time I tried.)
If you have an HD Fury or some device of the sort that strips HDCP, this would be a big a big plus to have with a VP and XG as well
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:49 am Post subject: |
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1080p wouldnt be as sharp even if i did bother to set it up from the computer with bigger porches, 1080i will always look nicer to me. I was very suprised at how sharp 1200p is though, its right on the max input of 75kHz for my XG, yet its razor sharp.
Jeremy i do have a few things going through the scaler that is in the H/K, but only VHS and DVD, nothing else. Everything else is set to pass through untouched. I certainly dont want everything sent to the projector in 1920x1080p though either, cause a fair few things i have here are in 4:3 format, and i make use of the fact the tube face is a 4:3 thing. I also dont upscale my video games, for one the light gun controllers dont work if you do cause the timings are incorrect, and two they look better in 240p which is what almost all the consoles put out ( and your scaler probably wouldnt handle that signal, a hell of alot wont ).
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ccaddaddy
Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Posts: 113 Location: Corpus Christi, Tx
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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i just recently got my projector back from thet guy who set it up for me. when i went to get it from him it looked pretty good but when i got it home and started it up it looked horrible. when the screen is black i wanna say one of the tubes stays lit because on the right side of my screen it is lighter than the rest. also there is some convergence drift as i have to go in and do minor adjustments. to me i like the way crts put out a picture but thought it would be alot sharper. i am also running 1600x1200 from my laptop. i used the gamma boost on the laptop to get a better pic but overall gray scale is horrible. lots of work to do!
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:43 am Post subject: |
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If one tube stays lit the whole screen will stay lit, not just one side. What projector do you have?
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ccaddaddy
Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Posts: 113 Location: Corpus Christi, Tx
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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i have an xg-750.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | 1080p wouldnt be as sharp even if i did bother to set it up from the computer with bigger porches, 1080i will always look nicer to me. I was very suprised at how sharp 1200p is though, its right on the max input of 75kHz for my XG, yet its razor sharp.
Jeremy i do have a few things going through the scaler that is in the H/K, but only VHS and DVD, nothing else. Everything else is set to pass through untouched. I certainly dont want everything sent to the projector in 1920x1080p though either, cause a fair few things i have here are in 4:3 format, and i make use of the fact the tube face is a 4:3 thing. I also dont upscale my video games, for one the light gun controllers dont work if you do cause the timings are incorrect, and two they look better in 240p which is what almost all the consoles put out ( and your scaler probably wouldnt handle that signal, a hell of alot wont ). |
I'm sure 1600x1200 looks quite impressive on the XG considering that these machines were developed for 4:3 aspect ratios mostly. I will admit, 1920x1080p is a bit softer than the 1680x1050 I was running it at, but is it noticable on my XG? Only if you are really looking for it IMO.
As for 4:3 sources, anything that inputs as 4:3 into my VP outputs as 4:3 (albeit upscaled). great for VHS, older game consoles, and so on. Yes granted the light guns wont work on an upscaled resolution, however at the moment I dont have my NES setup, and if I did, all I have to do is set my VP to 320x240p (yes it will do that resolution, I did try it before I posted back here ) and add a second signal entry to the XG and copy the settings from the other entry and do some slight adjustments, and ill be done. Ill be ready for older gaming
Id use games at non upscaled resolutions, but when it comes to ANYTHING video, Id rather not be able to see the scanlines from the seating area
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Id say it is quite obviously softer, where as 1600x1200 was sharp, havent tried 1680x1050 and that is a 16:10 resolution, so i might set one up at that yet and see what i can use it for, although not much at this point cause i have 16:9 wear on my green and red tubes, blue does too, but no where near as bad.
Ive got 2 versions of each of the 16:9 resolutions set up, being 1280x720 and 1920x1080, one with increased amplitude for movies that are not wide screen enhanced ( i have a couple that arent for some reason, didnt know they made them that way til i went to watch them.... )
Ive got a heap of stuff here to make masks for the screen, cause my screen is a 5:4 format. Ill post up some pics when that is all done, cause that will allow me to set the screen for any aspect from 5:4 to 2.4:1 and only have the screen visible where the image will be.
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A Rogers
Joined: 14 Feb 2011 Posts: 133 Location: Toronto On
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
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I also run my xg at 1600x1200 @ 60hz I find it runs much cooler than at 1280x1024 @85hz. I can clearly see 1:1 pixels and am able to get the set razor sharp across the entire 4:3 area.
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
TV/Projector: Sony 1252Q, AMPRO 4000G
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:11 am Post subject: |
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I like 1280x1024@72Hz on my Ampro 4000
1600x1200@103Hz on my Sony G520P
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | I like 1280x1024@72Hz on my Ampro 4000
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That is a 5:4 aspect though, id have thought youd be more of a 4:3 man Jeremy
| A Rogers wrote: | | I also run my xg at 1600x1200 @ 60hz I find it runs much cooler than at 1280x1024 @85hz. I can clearly see 1:1 pixels and am able to get the set razor sharp across the entire 4:3 area. |
Yep, me too, although i think i can get it abit better yet once ive done the astig properly.
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
TV/Projector: Sony 1252Q, AMPRO 4000G
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | I like 1280x1024@72Hz on my Ampro 4000
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That is a 5:4 aspect though, id have thought youd be more of a 4:3 man Jeremy |
You know I have used 960p too but there was some annoying screen twitch with this '4000 at that resolution as well as 1440x960. It stabilized at 1024 and the projector blew up at 1080p and the fuse box with it and left me in darkness.
THAT was fun!
Besides, aspect ratio depends on how you squish your raster.
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A Rogers
Joined: 14 Feb 2011 Posts: 133 Location: Toronto On
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | I like 1280x1024@72Hz on my Ampro 4000
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That is a 5:4 aspect though, id have thought youd be more of a 4:3 man Jeremy |
You know I have used 960p too but there was some annoying screen twitch with this '4000 at that resolution as well as 1440x960. It stabilized at 1024 and the projector blew up at 1080p and the fuse box with it and left me in darkness.
THAT was fun!
Besides, aspect ratio depends on how you squish your raster.  |
if you like oval circles
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:48 am Post subject: |
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Also depends on if you send the DVD out in anamorphic.
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | Besides, aspect ratio depends on how you squish your raster.  |
| A Rogers wrote: |
if you like oval circles  |
Took the words right out of my mouth
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
TV/Projector: Sony 1252Q, AMPRO 4000G
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | Besides, aspect ratio depends on how you squish your raster.  |
| A Rogers wrote: |
if you like oval circles  |
Took the words right out of my mouth  |
Ahhh poop! It's a work around for the Ampros quirikines
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Haha!!
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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This '4000 also won't take a strait 1080i/30 signal. It flags.
I do remember running 1080i/96 into it at one time. Can't remember the outcome. It looked so good on my Sony G520P CRT monitor I watched it there instead
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:12 am Post subject: |
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My 9PG is abit like your Ampro in that respect, it will only accept a few signals, its abit fussy. Takes 1080i in 29 and 30 Hz, wont take it any faster, takes 800x600 in 60 Hz only, will take 240p, 480i, 576i, and anything else at all that is 15.75kHz... Will also take 1280x720p, but in 50 Hz i cant get enough width ( can from the PC )
Ive just about finished my curtains for the screen, ill post up some pics soon.
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