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Untuned
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 93 Location: Pooler, GA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:30 am Post subject: DVDO Iscan HD: anyone using it? |
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Is anyone using this processor? If so, what is your setup?
I recently got a CRT pj, and realizing I needed a way to convert to vga output, I bought the Iscan HD thinking it would be better than just a digital to analog converter. Then I realized that HDCP would be an issue from my Blu-ray player, so I'm kind of stuck. Except for upscaling SD output from my player, what good is it for?
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barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011 Posts: 1304 Location: Germany
TV/Projector: Marquee 9500 Ultra
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:50 am Post subject: Re: DVDO Iscan HD: anyone using it? |
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| Untuned wrote: | | Except for upscaling SD output from my player, what good is it for? |
Hi,
I had one and had the same issues with HDCP. Used it for input source switching and normalizing the output to the PJ (one single output resolution and sync polarity). So I sold it as I got myself a HDFury 3 which has two inputs, does HDCP decryption, allows for sync setting and horizontal picture shift. I then configured the sources for identical output resolution and voilá: DVDO obsolete...
Regards,
barclay66
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 2874 Location: Australia
TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Scalers are great for tunning the image for your PJ but you do need to strip hdcp from the signal. You need something like a moome MUX-HD before your scaler to do that.
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Untuned
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 93 Location: Pooler, GA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | Scalers are great for tunning the image for your PJ but you do need to strip hdcp from the signal. You need something like a moome MUX-HD before your scaler to do that. |
But the Iscan HD will not scale a high-def image from the DVI port, it just passes it through to the DVI out, which is no good to me. I don't know how the MUX-HD works or how it would help me. The Iscan HD+ would process 720 and 1080 from the DVI in (I think that means I could send those signals to the analog out), and that's why I started an earlier thread to know if it was possible to convert an Iscan HD to an HD+ via a firmware upgrade or some simple soldering...
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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In my opinion it is not worth trying to figure out how to make an iScan HD into a HD+, If you scope out ebay you can usually get one for a good deal, theres a DVDO VP30 with HDMI and HDCP for $75 starting bid.
I just bought a VP30 from the same guy for $146 ending bid for this very reason. The VP30 will do what I need it to, and with my HD Fury Gamer I can avoid having to buy the HDMI card for my projector.
All in all, for how little these processors can be had for, its better to save and get what you really need, than trying to figure out how to get around the shortcomings of what you have.
Good luck!
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Untuned
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 93 Location: Pooler, GA
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Jeremy,
I was hoping you'd chime in; I saw your thread on the Iscan HD that was not working, and wondered how you planned to use it.
Please explain to me your setup for the VP30. What's the point if you need the HDFury anyway?
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| Untuned wrote: | Hi Jeremy,
I was hoping you'd chime in; I saw your thread on the Iscan HD that was not working, and wondered how you planned to use it.
Please explain to me your setup for the VP30. What's the point if you need the HDFury anyway? |
Hello Untuned,
I had bought the iScan HD mainly because I needed to adjust the timings of my resolution for my CRT projector. I had hoped I wouldnt need HDMI or HDCP but it didnt turn out that way.
I plan on hooking up my HD DVD Player, Blu Ray player, and Xbox 360 via the VP30, then have the HD Fury Gamer on the output HDMI so it can remove HDCP for my projector.
The only way I can get HDMI to my NEC XG projector is either the HD Fury Gamer, a Moome Mux, or the HDMI card for my projector.
The HD Fury will strip the outgoing HDCP signal from the VP30 to my projector which is connected via RGB, since the gamer converts HDMI to VGA, and I use a VGA to BNC RGB cable for that, and voila, I have my video chain
the iScan HD will not be able to do what you want if you have any HDMI sources, you are best off as I mentioned before to save up for a video processor that does have HDCP and HDMI.
So the point of my having the VP30 is to have one constant resolution on my projector, while using the VP to properly set the timings for that resolution, so when I use my sources, I dont have raster wrapping.
Hope this helps!
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Untuned
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 93 Location: Pooler, GA
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your input Jeremy. I understand now.
I understand how having a constant output is nice to have. I may have found a solution: I picked the RTC2200 listed on this forum (it's on it's way). My Blu-ray will output 1080i/720p from a Blu-ray disk via component (via hdmi it will upconvert SD format), but it will not upconvert SD material from the component ports. So I will take the component out from the Blu-ray player, into RTC2200 converting to VGA and adding Gamma boost, VGA into Iscan HD. If it is SD material, Iscan will upconvert and put out 1080/720, but if it is high-def, it will pass through to the VGA-out essentially making the Iscan invisible. Voila! Since any high-def signals are passed through the Iscan via the component-in, it did not get converted to rgbhv, but the RTC should take care of that. That's the plan anyway. This will hopefully be a good compromise for me since I do not need a 1080p signal, only 1080i or 720p.
Strangely enough, I ended up with two Isan HD's...off to post it in Buy & Sell...
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mc86
Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 767 Location: pittsburgh, pa
TV/Projector: ECP 4500 (Vidikron box), ECP4500+, wanting 07MS/07MTS, evaluating pc soft-blend
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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I finally have my iScan ruuning and am trying a similar setup to what Jeremy describes, but with a twist.
I convert HDMI from my HTPC and my Oppo BluRay player into the DVI with adapters and plug them into my Outlaw 970 prepro. Audio from these two sources (as well as from my LD and S-VHS player) go into the 970 prepro. My pre/pro switches to the desired audio to process and passes one of two video DVI input sources out DVI.
This DVI out of the 970 pre/pro is connected back into one port on a HD Fury3 (again, HDMI to DVI adapter). The RGBHV out of the HDF3 goes into Analog Passthrough on the iScanHD. I did this so as not to have to manually switch the HD Fury 3 input when both the HTPC and BRP were running. I was worried the HTPC would freakout when it "lost sight" of the HDF3 during BRP, but so far so good...it quickly re-discovers the PJ when switched back. Although if I don't close media center, I have to move it back off the touch-panel display of my HTPC located on my rack. This setup is now 1hr old, so time will tell.
Anyway, composite video from LD and S-VHS also go into the iScanHD. I *guess* I am better to let the iScan handle composite rather than passing S-video from LD/S-VHS. Everything goes out of iScan through the GammaX and to my PJ. The iScan is on Auto select and seems to do fine so long as I don't simultaneously run LD and SVHS (I didn't bother running them through my pre/pro, but could). My PJ (ECP4500) has ASR ON <AutoSourceRecog> and adjusts itself according to the input (the HTPC and BRP are different) flawlessly. So the requirement to have only one signal setup seems a bit false to me. Maybe this is because my ECP isn't as demanding (crappier machine) that Jeremy's...I dunno.
Untuned -- you gotta a name? I could have bought one of your iScanHDs for what I paid for a replacement power supply for mine...good gravy...
cheers,
Matt
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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I have heard that LD players should use composite rather than S-VIdeo because of how the video is encoded to the disc... Is this true?
Unlike your setup matt, I have my LD player hooked up via S-Video. What I just said above I didnt think about until I read your post here. Either way S-Video into the VP30 looks just fine. I just picked up James Bond "Thunderball" on LD new in sealed shrink wrap... shame I can't watch it, I don't want to take it out of the packaging, lol.
Don't worry about what you spent on your iScan HD Matt, the VP30 cost me a good penny, though it was much cheaper than a VP50, which is priced astronomically higher than the VP30 for only a few additional features and upgrades...
And as far as the one signal goes, thats for output, I only have one signal going out to the CRT Projector at all times, so the XG does not have to change anything, it stays synced with the VP. Setting up the inputs there is not much to do, maybe some gamma adjustments and so on, but thats about it.
Hope your setup is working good for you Matt, seems as though it is so far
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mc86
Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 767 Location: pittsburgh, pa
TV/Projector: ECP 4500 (Vidikron box), ECP4500+, wanting 07MS/07MTS, evaluating pc soft-blend
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