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Danke
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: Color Calibration for Marquee 8111 |
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I recently replaced my Sony 1271 with a Marquee 8111. The Sony was pretty straight forward with the color setup.
I went to the http://www.etechvideo.com/techtip1.htm website, but can't seem to get the colors right. green or blue faces etc.
Any tips to calibrate the correct colors?
Also, I order the Marquee VIM-FULLHD v3: HDMI 1.3 Input Card. So should have that soon.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Start off by first setting contrast and brightness to 50.
Now if you have source connected and can display greyscale individual windows start with 0% IRE and adjust each G2
till you just see the raster light up adjusting G2 only. once you just barely see it come up(looking in tubes) back off two clicks.
If you dont have the source hooked up yet, use the stair step pattern in the Marquee and adjust G2 till the black bar in the pattern begins to light up and then back off again. (wear sun Glasses) .
Now you can adjust red and blue drive levels, green adjust only about 5% from 0-100, red and blue make a larger impact
on their respective colors compared to green drive unto itself.
Do this will all colors on and you cycle between colors with white on by hitting tint on the remote..
Or you can hook up a PC and download the marquee controller program on VDC display systems site and use that.
I prefer that program for final color calibration once a source is connected and using a color probe and calibration software
as it never puts a menu up on screen to contaminate the readings to the probe.
Athanasios
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draganm
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Color Calibration for Marquee 8111 |
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| Danke wrote: | | I recently replaced my Sony 1271 with a Marquee 8111. The Sony was pretty straight forward with the color setup. I went to the http://www.etechvideo.com/techtip1.htm website, but can't seem to get the colors right. green or blue faces etc. Any tips to calibrate the correct colors? |
what part are you having trouble with? Remember to push the # key and bring up the internal test patterns and use the stair-step pattern. I have both a basic and advanced set-up guide which covers the marquee, pm me your e-mail address and I can send it
Color temperature
For Color Temp. set Brighntess and contrast to 50.
Choose Color temp and first set all the zones to uniform screen brightness (8500/9500 only).
There are 8 zones for each tube. For a 16:9 squeezed Raster I like to set all at 50 except the 4 corners which you can bump up to 60. This will give a more even screen luminance all the way across.
Now push re-call and choose color Temp. 6500K. Yes your sure, proceed.
Push the # key and bring up the stair-step test pattern for Grayscale.
Set Green drive to 90 and set Green G2 until the Second darkest square is just distinguishable from the darkest one.
Push enter, for Blue set Drive to 45 and G2 same as before.
For Red , set G2 only and then pus enter. Now you will have a 4th sequence pop up where all colors are on for Red Drive. Push the # key again until you get an all white Screen.
Now ramp Red Drive up/down until the screen is pure White, not pushing pink or blue. Usually on a Marquee with clean B+ G tubes Red Drive will be around 27. If B + G are worn you will need less Red to make something close to pure White. Note: worn tubes can NOT be adjusted out completely, they have to be replaced for perfect color balance. You can now cycle back through the G2 settings by pushing Enter and make sure everything is good. Exit and SAVE.
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Tim in Phoenix
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hello
I saw this problem three days ago. The customer replaced the VIM board and had the red and blue output cables reversed. Did you have the VIM board out?
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Danke
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: |
Now if you have source connected and can display greyscale individual windows start with 0% IRE and adjust each G2
till you just see the raster light up adjusting G2 only. once you just barely see it come up(looking in tubes) back off two clicks. |
I have a source connected, are you saying use a grey scale from the source? Do I need a DVD for this?
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If you dont have the source hooked up yet, use the stair step pattern in the Marquee and adjust G2 till the black bar in the pattern begins to light up and then back off again. (wear sun Glasses) .
Now you can adjust red and blue drive levels, green adjust only about 5% from 0-100, red and blue make a larger impact
on their respective colors compared to green drive unto itself.
Do this will all colors on and you cycle between colors with white on by hitting tint on the remote.. |
O.K. did that, I got a little better results then when I tried it earlier using the scale projected on the screen. But still can't get it just right.
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Or you can hook up a PC and download the marquee controller program on VDC display systems site and use that.
I prefer that program for final color calibration once a source is connected and using a color probe and calibration software
as it never puts a menu up on screen to contaminate the readings to the probe.
Athanasios |
I'll look into that, do you have a link? Utility here? http://vdcds.com/downloads.html
For some reason I can't open that file. I'm using Win7
Thanks.
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Danke
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| Tim in Phoenix wrote: | Hello
I saw this problem three days ago. The customer replaced the VIM board and had the red and blue output cables reversed. Did you have the VIM board out?
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No, haven't touched it since I got it from Curt.
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Danke
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Color Calibration for Marquee 8111 |
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| draganm wrote: |
Choose Color temp and first set all the zones to uniform screen brightness (8500/9500 only).
There are 8 zones for each tube. For a 16:9 squeezed Raster I like to set all at 50 except the 4 corners which you can bump up to 60. This will give a more even screen luminance all the way across.
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I have a 8111, so the above doesn't apply? I'm not sure what and where to locate the "zones?"
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Tim in Phoenix
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Color Calibration for Marquee 8111 |
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| Danke wrote: | I recently replaced my Sony 1271 with a Marquee 8111. The Sony was pretty straight forward with the color setup.
I went to the http://www.etechvideo.com/techtip1.htm website, but can't seem to get the colors right. green or blue faces etc.
Any tips to calibrate the correct colors?
Also, I order the Marquee VIM-FULLHD v3: HDMI 1.3 Input Card. So should have that soon. |
Either the VIM output cables to the neckboards are connected wrong or your signal source is connected wrong.
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draganm
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Color Calibration for Marquee 8111 |
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| Danke wrote: | | draganm wrote: | Choose Color temp and first set all the zones to uniform screen brightness (8500/9500 only). There are 8 zones for each tube. For a 16:9 squeezed Raster I like to set all at 50 except the 4 corners which you can bump up to 60. This will give a more even screen luminance all the way across.
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I have a 8111, so the above doesn't apply? I'm not sure what and where to locate the "zones?" |
no zones on an 8110, although you can add it easily with a plug in card in the back. It won't affect the problem your having now though. Tim has a good point, what exactly is your source at this time?
I know Curt runs these in his shop and would not have sent out a machine with green faces 
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Danke
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Color Calibration for Marquee 8111 |
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| draganm wrote: | | Danke wrote: | | draganm wrote: | Choose Color temp and first set all the zones to uniform screen brightness (8500/9500 only). There are 8 zones for each tube. For a 16:9 squeezed Raster I like to set all at 50 except the 4 corners which you can bump up to 60. This will give a more even screen luminance all the way across.
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I have a 8111, so the above doesn't apply? I'm not sure what and where to locate the "zones?" |
no zones on an 8110, although you can add it easily with a plug in card in the back. It won't affect the problem your having now though. Tim has a good point, what exactly is your source at this time?
I know Curt runs these in his shop and would not have sent out a machine with green faces |
Well, my source is the same I used with the Sony 1271. No changes there.
HDMI 1.2a from a Yamaha receiver going to DVI connection on a HDFury 1 out to a BNC adapter to projector.
I have a DTV box and a Play Station 3 going through the receiver. I guess I could try a direct hook up.
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Nashou66
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Not sure if the Marquee Loader program will work on W7 do you have an XP computer?
Ok when all else fails I usually do an Initialization of the set but that will erase all convergence, geometry, etc.
But it would clear up any corruption in the memory locations.
However you said that you got a little better results after you did as I explained above. So are the darker grey scale bars tinted ok( that is have a grey look) but the lighter/white bars are tinted( either red,Green,Or blue? If the Latter then you need to tweek the Drive controls a bit more.
Now changing the drives will also possibly alter the darker bars. So you'll have to go back and forth a few times to get the darker bars the proper Grey and the white bar white . Grey scale calibration can take a bunch of iterations of the same procedures to
nail it!
PS: a pic of your greyscale(stair step) would help
Athanasios
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draganm
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Now changing the drives will also possibly alter the darker bars. So you'll have to go back and forth a few times to get the darker bars the proper Grey and the white bar white . Grey scale calibration can take a bunch of iterations of the same procedures to
nail it!
PS: a pic of your greyscale(stair step) would help
Athanasios |
good point. You can actually toggle through the test patterns while in the Color temp. menu and also bring up an active image. With a 2.35 image on a 16:9 screen you can look at the letterbox area's and see if they tint red green or blue. If so, turning down the G2 for the offending color 1 or 2 points is all it takes to fix it.
For full White, green drive (max output) is always at 90% and blue is in the 50% range. So you really need to only tweak red drive up or down to get pure white.
Another thing you might be seeing if your eye's are very sensitive to color saturation is the lack of filtering on green and Red which your Sony had in the form of tinted Glycol. You would need to replace the lenses on the Marquee to fix that.
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