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tbsb9595
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: Sony 1271 VS Sony G70 picture quality. worth going to G70? |
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How much of an upgrade would it be if I went from a Sony 1271 to a Sony G70?
Any info would be appreciated!
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Elaine Benes
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Huge, gigantic monstrous upgrade.
The 1271 is electrostatic focus, which is poor at best, while the G70 is electromagnetic focus, which is much, much, much better....
Color on the G70 will also be much better.
If you're plugging NTSC into it, don't bother because a bad source will produce a bad image no matter how good the projector, but if you have a reasonable quality source, like HD or computer, you'll see a huge improvement focus wise(ie. sharpness and detail) as well as better colors and a brighter overall image with a G70.
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Nashou66
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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That's a huge upgrade.
It's exactly the upgrade I made a few years ago. Here's a little taste of what you'll get:
- Much more modern projector
- Better, quieter signal chain
- Superior, finer geometry control, with key/pin balance
- Superior lens optics (1271 lenses suck, G70 lenses easily make phosphor grain visible)
- EM for SUPERIOR electronic focus - better sharpness
- Dynamic astig for dot shape control all over the screen - more sharpness
- Scheimpflug (flapping) for perfect top/bottom and side/side focus - more sharpness
- LC for SUPERIOR ANSI contrast and elimination of TERRIBLE halos on the AC 1271
- All this makes for a really decent 1080p display (vs. 720p/1080i max on the 1271)
The sharpness difference can't be overstated. It wasn't until I had the G70 and 1271 both set up at the same time and A-B'd the two projectors that I understood what Mike Parker meant when he talked about sharper, higher-bandwidth machines revealing background detail. But, there it was... Wide shots with lots of depth-of-field... The background was a big, blurry mess on the 1271, and I could see individual trees, rocks, or whatever on the G70.
Muting the 1271 and un-muting the G70 was similar to putting on a pair of glasses and being able to see. Compared to the G70, the 1271 looked like muted and fuzzy... There's the ANSI contrast that many here underestimate! And my 1271 was fairly low-hour and a nice, clean machine. (To be fair, the G70 was almost like new).
It really comes down to condition and price. If the condition is good and the price is reasonable, I'd be all over it if I were you.
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tbsb9595
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I agree with Paul, are you looking at the one on AVS in Virginia? If so grab it. it was set up by Terry F who is an expert with sony set ups so you know it most likely wasn't driven hard.
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No I didn't see the one on AVS and i couldn't find it either. Do you have a link to it. Thanks!
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tbsb9595
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | That's a huge upgrade.
It's exactly the upgrade I made a few years ago. Here's a little taste of what you'll get:
- Much more modern projector
- Better, quieter signal chain
- Superior, finer geometry control, with key/pin balance
- Superior lens optics (1271 lenses suck, G70 lenses easily make phosphor grain visible)
- EM for SUPERIOR electronic focus - better sharpness
- Dynamic astig for dot shape control all over the screen - more sharpness
- Scheimpflug (flapping) for perfect top/bottom and side/side focus - more sharpness
- LC for SUPERIOR ANSI contrast and elimination of TERRIBLE halos on the AC 1271
- All this makes for a really decent 1080p display (vs. 720p/1080i max on the 1271)
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Does it make a sharp high quality picture at 1080P as i have seen some questions over 1080P being used on this projector?
Thanks!
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Nashou66
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| tbsb9595 wrote: | | Does it make a sharp high quality picture at 1080P as i have seen some questions over 1080P being used on this projector? |
There is no question you can run 1080p on a G70, and it's definitely a high-quality picture. I've had a lot of people in my theater - experienced people with all sorts of projectors in their theaters, and I think everybody's been universally impressed.
As to how sharp, that's relative. Compared to 1080i on a 1271? Far sharper. Compared to 1080p on a 9" machine like a G90 or 9500? No, definitely not as sharp.
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tbsb9595
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | tbsb9595 wrote: | | Does it make a sharp high quality picture at 1080P as i have seen some questions over 1080P being used on this projector? |
There is no question you can run 1080p on a G70, and it's definitely a high-quality picture. I've had a lot of people in my theater - experienced people with all sorts of projectors in their theaters, and I think everybody's been universally impressed.
As to how sharp, that's relative. Compared to 1080i on a 1271? Far sharper. Compared to 1080p on a 9" machine like a G90 or 9500? No, definitely not as sharp.
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Thanks for the info. It sounds like the G70 may be the way to go. Do you know what the going price is for a good G70 with low hours? Thanks.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Hard to say, as it's really all over the map these days.
Disclaimer: This is just my opinion. I'm admittedly less enthusiastic about CRT than I used to be, so take this with a grain of salt. I still love CRT, but digital has gotten much, much better.
Given all that, I'd say probably somewhere between $500 and $1000, depending on hours, condition, shipping/travel costs, buyer and seller, etc. Personally, I don't think I'd want to sink more than a grand into a G70 (including all travel/shipping costs), and that would be my high - even for a pristine machine. I'd feel much better about half that all-in. I know I'd be pretty happy to get $500 for my G70 at this point... I think. 
If it has much wear at all, or doesn't come with a remote, or needs any attention, then the price quickly goes toward zero. A little visible/small-area wear on the tubes? Couple hundred bucks.
Again - just my opinion.
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tbsb9595
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | Hard to say, as it's really all over the map these days.
Disclaimer: This is just my opinion. I'm admittedly less enthusiastic about CRT than I used to be, so take this with a grain of salt. I still love CRT, but digital has gotten much, much better.
Given all that, I'd say probably somewhere between $500 and $1000, depending on hours, condition, shipping/travel costs, buyer and seller, etc. Personally, I don't think I'd want to sink more than a grand into a G70 (including all travel/shipping costs), and that would be my high - even for a pristine machine. I'd feel much better about half that all-in. I know I'd be pretty happy to get $500 for my G70 at this point... I think.
If it has much wear at all, or doesn't come with a remote, or needs any attention, then the price quickly goes toward zero. A little visible/small-area wear on the tubes? Couple hundred bucks.
Again - just my opinion.
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Thanks again for all the info SC! I was looking into getting a top reviewed Panasonic PT-AE7000 3D LCD Projector ($3000) until I started looking into a CRT upgrade. I also considered a G90 but it is a huge beast. I am on the fence about what to do at this point. I am interested in increasing my picture sharpness/quality, what do you think?
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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No problem!
Tough call. Lots of factors to consider.
I know your budget... What's your room like? Nicely decorated/finished, or more crude/man-cavish? Dedicated with full light control? Current/desired screen size/aspect ratio and material? What's the rest of your system like?
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tbsb9595
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | No problem!
Tough call. Lots of factors to consider.
I know your budget... What's your room like? Nicely decorated/finished, or more crude/man-cavish? Dedicated with full light control? Current/desired screen size/aspect ratio and material? What's the rest of your system like?
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Lighting is not a problem as I can have it as dark as I need. The room (13' X 26') isn't specifically for movies but it is setup with that being the highest priority. My screen right now is 4:3 96". The CRT is on the ceiling about 9' from the 1.0 gain screen and I am sitting about 13 feet form the screen. Right now I have an old Runco line tripler I'm using, but I just bought a new OPPO Blueray player and plan to use that in place of the Runco processor. I also just ordered a Moome HDMI input card for the Sony 1271 to see what I can get out of it. For sound, I have an older Lexicon processor and I'm using Kef speakers for all 7 channels and I have a dual 12" sub. Total amp power, not including the sub, is about 900W using adcom amps. The sub has about 500W from another Adcom. I really enjoy the system but I would like a sharper picture that is more vibrant.
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HaydnG90
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IMO its becoming harder and harder to justify a new CRT installation, especially if you're not considering a 9" pj. There are so many nice performing alternatives available now. That said, if you have a dedicated room and can control light, have non reflective dark finishes and don't mind forking out for a professional calibration (or learning how to DIY with the right equipment) a 9 incher with good tubes and 1080P input is still top of the heap. There are just a few more compromises that must be made to maximize the potential.
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