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Sony VPH-1270Q - Worth going HDTV?
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ddtemplar



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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:24 am    Post subject: Sony VPH-1270Q - Worth going HDTV?

Hi,

I have a second (third, fourth?) hand Sony VPH-1270Q that I currently use to watch 480p content via a DVD player hooked up via a doubler.

I have recently discovered that it can display both 720p and 1080i content (using a computer hooked up by a vga->rgbhv cable). However, doing so looks awful as the projector needs to be realigned and refocused for the new input device.

I was wondering if anyone has had experience with watching 720p/1080i content on this CRT projector, or similar, and whether it is worth the effort of setting it up for the new input. While 720p is far superior than 480p in terms of video fidelity, I am not sure if the optics of this 1990s projector is capable of producing a 720p image that is any more clear than a 480p one.

Thanks for your insight Smile[/list]
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:02 am    Post subject:

It doesnt need to be re-focused, only aligned.

Better off going with 1080i and ofcourse it is worth the effort.

Ofcourse a 1990s projector can produce 720p better than 480p... Even a 1270 can... Although an NEC can do it better Wink
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:27 am    Post subject: 1270

I have a Barco 801S with same/similar tubes and lenses, and enjoy watching 720p. looks great to me, in past 2 years I have put 1200 hours on it. so yes its definitely worth it. I wont watch dvd´s anymore, even on smaller tv set because its just soooo much better experience in 720p.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject:

480p on a 1270 is a waste of the projector's capabilities.

720p, 1080i or 1440 x 960p (double 480p) are all good resolutions for the 1270, most people won't be able to tell the difference between them, partly because they will be blown away by the picture size and quality compared to what they are used to, everyone i have shown my VPH1000QM to think it's 1080p and are shocked when I tell them it is 720 x 576i (SD PAL). Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:30 pm    Post subject:

They must be in some sort of shock Dave, i have 2x 1001QMs, which have better tubes than a 1000QM, and it looks NOTHING LIKE 1080p!! It must be f***en soft mate!! Hahahaha!!
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Sony VPH-1270Q - Worth going HDTV?

ddtemplar wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has had experience with watching 720p/1080i content on this CRT projector, or similar, and whether it is worth the effort of setting it up for the new input.

If the source is HD (Blu-ray, HDTV) then YES. Run it at 1080i instead of 480p and it'll look night and day better. 1080i is 6x the resolution of 480p.

I owned a Barco 800 for years and was astounded at the difference in quality when going from DVD to HD on this "old" projector..

If your question is however if DVD scaled to 720p instead of 480p is going to look better then I'd say the answer is yes and no. Scaling up is not going to give you more info. It just fills in the empty spaces between scan lines. If you see scan lines at 480p then by all means do 720p. If you can't see scan lines then you need to work on the setup a bit more. Wink

When I used to run a Barco 800 (circa 1990 model) I ran DVD at 720p/72Hz for years and years. Once HD came around I ran 1080i exclusively.

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While 720p is far superior than 480p in terms of video fidelity, I am not sure if the optics of this 1990s projector is capable of producing a 720p image that is any more clear than a 480p one.

It can if set up correctly. Remember that 720p is only 1280x720 resolution. I was doing that before 1990 on PC monitors.

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Curt Palme
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject:

Most of how good it's going to look is how well you do the setup and what shape the tubes are in. ES focusing tubes as found in your 1270 do lose focus over time, so if you can't see the 'H' patterns clearly on the screen now on each color, then your tubes are 'soft'. No question HD will look better than 480p, but if your tubes are soft, then you'll never get the full potential.

Also pull the lenses to clean between the lenses and the tubes, there's a lot of dust that gets in there, and causes massive halos. A clean optical path helps a lot as well.

BTW, if it's an 'effort' to realign your projector, then you haven't done it enough.. Smile Well worth the effort IMHO!
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ddtemplar



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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject:

Hi everyone,

Thanks for your replies. It appears that the answer to my query is a resounding yes! It is possible that this projector's tubes are well aged, but any increase in visuals would be awesome.

So my next issue is equipment/costs. My first attempt was connecting a MacBook to the projector using a VGA connector. Unfortunately, the laptop seems to be missing a few key resolutions when outputting to the projector (namely 720p and 1080i...). I may need to buy new equipment to get HD onto this projector.

Is there any budget ways to do this? I was looking into HDMI to RGBHV converters, but they cost more than I paid for the projector. Buying a dedicated PC would also cost as much.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:57 pm    Post subject:

SwitchResX http://www.madrau.com/indexSRX4.html is a program where you can make custom settings for any display.

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:49 am    Post subject:

ddtemplar wrote:
a MacBook....

There is your first problem right there.... Get yourself a Proper Computer... Laughing
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:55 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
ddtemplar wrote:
a MacBook....

There is your first problem right there.... Get yourself a Proper Computer... Laughing

Why, so he can spend countless hours posting on forums about which video card driver he should be using to avoid tearing, which audio driver he should be using to avoid the audio dropouts or to pass the bitstream properly, installing updates, and on and on and on?

Laughing

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:14 am    Post subject:

I'm not familiar with the Macs, but I'm assuming they have resolutions from 640 X 480 to something ridiculous like 1600 X1200. The CRT projector doesn't really care what you feed it, it will accept all signals within reason. I'd select something like 800 X 600 or 1024 X 768.

Make sure your H and V cables aren't interchanged, otherwise you'll get nothing out of the 1270. THe Mac should drive and display on the 1270 just fine.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:33 am    Post subject:

HAHAHAHA!!! Why on earth would he need to do that!! I cant say ive ever had this issue Wink ( or any other "common" PC issues either!! )

Getting a Mac to do something useful though is like asking a rat to mind a turd for another rat... You just wouldnt expect too much Laughing

Im sure theyre quite good computers, provided you dont want to do too much with them.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:45 am    Post subject:

Macs are great computers a little over priced, but very capable for the average user. That said if Apple made a CRT projector the case would be glued shut, it would need a special cable and every resolution besides 480p would cost extra.


I did some research and found this bit of software might be helpful. I did not test it in anyway as I am a pc user so use at your own discretion.

http://www.madrau.com/indexSRX4.html

/e oops Nashou66 beat me to it

ecrabb wrote:
CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Im sure theyre quite good computers, provided you dont want to do too much with them.

You're either very misinformed or you're intentionally trying to mislead, because that statement couldn't possibly be any more wrong at this point in time.

Save for a few very specialized industrial or scientific applications, and to some extent, tweaked out HTPC or high-end gaming, you can do damn near anything with a Mac that you can do with a Windows machine. While it's true there are some specific things you can really only do well with a PC, just like with the game consoles, there are some really excellent "platform exclusives" that you can only run on under OS X.

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so long as it doesn't require two mouse buttons Razz


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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:12 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Im sure theyre quite good computers, provided you dont want to do too much with them.

You're either very misinformed or you're intentionally trying to mislead, because that statement couldn't possibly be any more wrong at this point in time.

Save for a few very specialized industrial or scientific applications, and to some extent, tweaked out HTPC or high-end gaming, you can do damn near anything with a Mac that you can do with a Windows machine. While it's true there are some specific things you can really only do well with a PC, just like with the game consoles, there are some really excellent "platform exclusives" that you can only run on under OS X.

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:18 am    Post subject:

Grab a dual core PC, an ATi 3870 card 2GB ram and either XP pro or Win 7 ( stay away from Starter Edition ), download Powerstrip and start tweaking.

Should be able to find this cheap on the used market.

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:27 am    Post subject:

A Rogers wrote:
so long as it doesn't require two mouse buttons Razz

Huh? Macs have supported two-button mice for probably 15 years or more... The OS just doesn't REQUIRE a two-button mouse for full functionality.

I love all these posts about Macs from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the platform.

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:31 am    Post subject:

AnalogRocks wrote:
Grab a dual core PC, an ATi 3870 card 2GB ram and either XP pro or Win 7 ( stay away from Starter Edition ), download Powerstrip and start tweaking.

I must have missed the post where he asked for advice on buying a Windows PC. From his post, he clearly has a computer, and Athanasios provided the info he needed to get custom resolution and refresh rates. Problem solved. No Windows suffering necessary. Smile

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:09 am    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
AnalogRocks wrote:
Grab a dual core PC, an ATi 3870 card 2GB ram and either XP pro or Win 7 ( stay away from Starter Edition ), download Powerstrip and start tweaking.

I must have missed the post where he asked for advice on buying a Windows PC. From his post, he clearly has a computer, and Athanasios provided the info he needed to get custom resolution and refresh rates. Problem solved. No Windows suffering necessary. Smile

SC


It's soooo good to have you back PC bashing Laughing

True he could run his Mac or he could do it right with a PC Thumbs Up

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:29 am    Post subject:

AnalogRocks wrote:
True he could run his Mac or he could do it right with a PC Thumbs Up

If by "do it right with a PC" you mean spending hours posting on forums about video card models and manufacturer or reference drivers, software, filter, and codec configurations, then yeah - I suppose he could "do it right with a PC". Wink

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It's soooo good to have you back PC bashing Laughing

Hey, I didn't start the PC bashing until after the Mac bashing started... But, I'm happy to finish it! Wink

The Mac bashers typically make it easy, because rarely do they have any real knowledge of the platform. If they do, it's second- or third-hand, stuff they read on Windows sites, or if they do have any first-hand knowledge, it's from the 80's or mid-90's. I mean, seriously... The two-button argument and the "can't do much with it" argument? Those claims were completely baseless even a decade ago.

I actually use both. Daily.

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