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km987654
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: DVI to Port3 Cable Barco |
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Does anyone make these??
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barclay66
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
If You're thinking of a DVI-I to Port 3 (Analog RGBHV, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital%E2%80%93visual_interface) cable then YES, I can make such one.
On the other hand: You can acheive the same with a DVI-I to VGA adapter and a regular VGA to Port 3 cable.
If You're thinking of a DVI-D to Port 3 (Digital TMDS) cable then NO. In this case a HDFury will be the most common option.
Regards,
barclay66
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Tom.W
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Depending on the model and input used you may need negative sync. The Fury 3 will output both.
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km987654
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TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:39 am Post subject: |
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I want to connect the DVI out from my Lumagen to Port 3 on my Barco
I have a DVI to VGA adaptor but I wanted to eliminate connections between the source and projector.
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Tom.W
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | I want to connect the DVI out from my Lumagen to Port 3 on my Barco |
What model? 
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Tom.W wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | I want to connect the DVI out from my Lumagen to Port 3 on my Barco |
What model? |
Vision PRO HDP
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barclay66
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | I want to connect the DVI out from my Lumagen to Port 3 on my Barco
I have a DVI to VGA adaptor but I wanted to eliminate connections between the source and projector. |
Hi,
Do I understand correctly that using the adaptor You have a working setup?
I'm asking because the Vision Pro HDP manual states that an incoming HDCP encrypted signal will shut off the analog outputs and will only be displayed on devices capable of HDCP and connected digitally. Taking the analog signal from the DVI connector would then give You no picture and require the before mentioned HDFury for HDCP decryption.
If You're using non-encrypted sources of course You won't run into this problem.
So, if You just want to eliminate the adaptor then I can make a cable for You. I would use high quality (double shielded) video cable and gold plated connectors. You can expect ~ 10 Euros for the connectors and ~ 6 Euros per meter for the cable. The work itself is fun and therefore for free (CRT enthusiast service). Shipment cost to Australia could be limited to 16 Euros if the package is below 2 Kg.
Regards,
barclay66
Last edited by barclay66 on Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:56 am; edited 1 time in total
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| barclay66 wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | I want to connect the DVI out from my Lumagen to Port 3 on my Barco
I have a DVI to VGA adaptor but I wanted to eliminate connections between the source and projector. |
Hi,
Do I understand correctly that using the adaptor You have a working setup?
I'm asking because the Vision Pro HDP manual states that an incoming HDCP encrypted signal will shut off the analog outputs and will only be displayed on devices capable of HDCP and connected digitally. Taking the analog signal from the DVI connector would then give You no picture and require the before mentioned HDFury for HDCP decryption.
If You're using non-encrypted sources of course You won't run into this problem.
So, I You just want to eliminate the adaptor then I can make a cable for You. I would use high quality (double shielded) video cable and gold plated connectors. You can expect ~ 10 Euros for the connectors and ~ 6 Euros per meter for the cable. The work itself is fun and therefore for free (CRT enthusiast service). Shipment cost to Australia could be limited to 16 Euros if the package is below 2 Kg.
Regards,
barclay66 |
I have MUX_HD before the Lumagan. I am considering your offer. Thanks
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| barclay66 wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | I want to connect the DVI out from my Lumagen to Port 3 on my Barco
I have a DVI to VGA adaptor but I wanted to eliminate connections between the source and projector. |
Hi,
Do I understand correctly that using the adaptor You have a working setup?
I'm asking because the Vision Pro HDP manual states that an incoming HDCP encrypted signal will shut off the analog outputs and will only be displayed on devices capable of HDCP and connected digitally. Taking the analog signal from the DVI connector would then give You no picture and require the before mentioned HDFury for HDCP decryption.
If You're using non-encrypted sources of course You won't run into this problem.
So, if You just want to eliminate the adaptor then I can make a cable for You. I would use high quality (double shielded) video cable and gold plated connectors. You can expect ~ 10 Euros for the connectors and ~ 6 Euros per meter for the cable. The work itself is fun and therefore for free (CRT enthusiast service). Shipment cost to Australia could be limited to 16 Euros if the package is below 2 Kg.
Regards,
barclay66 |
So price would be
2 x 10 = 20 2 connectors
6 x 2 = 12 2 mtr
1 x 16 = 16 postage
Total = 48Eu
Do you make these for anyone or is it a hobby?
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barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
You can take 10 Euro off the list as the prices I indicated were for both connectors already.
Working on all types of electronics (except RF) has been my hobby for the last 30 years and it's a pleasure for me if my skills can be helpful to others. So this is not a commercial offer. I might build a few more if there should be any demand and if my limited spare time would allow for it...
Regards,
barclay66
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zGman
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:33 am Post subject: |
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I am almost certain the DVI output on the Lumagen HDP Pro is digital only,
so there isn't anything to adapt - as the input to the PJ is analog.
You really would need a hdfury to make that work.
G
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km987654
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| zGman wrote: | I am almost certain the DVI output on the Lumagen HDP Pro is digital only,
so there isn't anything to adapt - as the input to the PJ is analog.
You really would need a hdfury to make that work.
G |
I had better check the manual
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zGman
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I had an HDP Pro when they first came out - all you need to see is the DVI output connector,
the 4 pins around the long slot will be missing - they carry the analog signal on the
video card dual use outputs aka DVI-I
A pic here: http://esupport.sony.com/EN/include/dvirev101_rg1.pdf
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km987654
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| zGman wrote: | I had an HDP Pro when they first came out - all you need to see is the DVI output connector,
the 4 pins around the long slot will be missing - they carry the analog signal on the
video card dual use outputs aka DVI-I
A pic here: http://esupport.sony.com/EN/include/dvirev101_rg1.pdf |
Thanks
I will check later today. I also have a Lumagan vision which has a VGA port so if all else fails I can use this to drive Port 3.
The DVI output from the Lumagan is DVI-D so a cable alone is not going to work and while the older vision has a VGA output which would work the vision only has analog inputs if I recall correctly.
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barclay66
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
zGman's information about the VisionPro HDP only outputting digital video over DVI is correct. The DVI-D connector wouldn't even fit into the DVI-I Socket.
Umm, I thought I had asked that before:
| barclay66 wrote: | | Do I understand correctly that using the adaptor You have a working setup? |
I don't think it's necessary to use a different scaler. Why don't You use the analog BNC outputs directly? You could either use a pure BNC cable (5 BNC connectors at each end) and connect the Lumagen to Port 4/5 or You could use a BNC to Port 3 cable (5 BNC connectors at one end and 9-pin SUB-D at the other end).
I would recommend using a high quality pure BNC cable. Those are readily available and will provide optimum picture quality.
Although I don't know if the Barco 1101 will have a higher video bandwidth on port 4/5 or port 3 I have seen the difference with newer Barco PJ's. Those newer machines had a more advanced RGB input section (using modern SMD technology) for port 4/5 and still the same old 2nd Analog input board for port 3. The difference in sharpness and detail was remarkable and the port 4/5 sync processing was much more tolerant too.
Using port 4/5 would in addition allow to take out the 2nd Analog input board which then would result in less load for the power supply and thus less heat (not much but every bit counts).
Regards,
barclay66
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km987654
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| barclay66 wrote: | Hi,
zGman's information about the VisionPro HDP only outputting digital video over DVI is correct. The DVI-D connector wouldn't even fit into the DVI-I Socket.
Umm, I thought I had asked that before:
| barclay66 wrote: | | Do I understand correctly that using the adaptor You have a working setup? |
I don't think it's necessary to use a different scaler. Why don't You use the analog BNC outputs directly? You could either use a pure BNC cable (5 BNC connectors at each end) and connect the Lumagen to Port 4/5 or You could use a BNC to Port 3 cable (5 BNC connectors at one end and 9-pin SUB-D at the other end).
I would recommend using a high quality pure BNC cable. Those are readily available and will provide optimum picture quality.
Although I don't know if the Barco 1101 will have a higher video bandwidth on port 4/5 or port 3 I have seen the difference with newer Barco PJ's. Those newer machines had a more advanced RGB input section (using modern SMD technology) for port 4/5 and still the same old 2nd Analog input board for port 3. The difference in sharpness and detail was remarkable and the port 4/5 sync processing was much more tolerant too.
Using port 4/5 would in addition allow to take out the 2nd Analog input board which then would result in less load for the power supply and thus less heat (not much but every bit counts).
Regards,
barclay66 |
I should clear up something. Yes I do own a 1101 but this is a BG808s chassis with 9" tubes. Yes I could use BNC out from my Lumagan. The exercise though is to create a second input as port 5 is currently being used. I have a BD player connected to the Lumagan on port 5. I want to connect a DVD player to port 3.
At the moment the DVD and BD player pass through a MUX_HD to a Lumagen scaler which is connected to the projector via port 5 (BNC Connectors). I am not happy with the DVD image and would like to move he DVD player to port 3.
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barclay66
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | I want to connect a DVD player to port 3. |
Hi,
I don't think that this will make much sense although it might be technically possible. If it's a regular DVD player it will output video in SD format. Feeding this directly to the Barco will result in a low resolution picture where You will see ugly scanlines.
Isn't there an input at the Lumagen left where You could feed the DVD player's signal? That would allow upscaling through the Lumagen and using the existing connection via BNC.
Edit: I see that You edited Your post and have that already in place...
On the other hand: Why would You use an additional DVD player anyway? BD-Players play DVDs too and most of them do quite a good job in upscaling to a suitable resolution. I have a Sony BDP-370 connected to my BG801s only via an HDFury3. I don't even need a scaler and can watch BDs and DVDs in excellent quality!
Regards,
barclay66
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km987654
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: |
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To my eyes DVD looks poor compared to BD as expected I suppose but I am looking at getting the best DVD picture I can. Currently the Sony DVD is connected to the Lumagan two ways one is via HDMI output through Mux-Hd and the other is directly via component input on the Lumagan since the DVD player also has component output. I can switch between component and HDMI with a DVD playing. These run from the lumagen to the Projector on 5 BNC cable to Port 5.
I could continue to adjust the lumagen to get a better image on the current setup but Iwould like to see what Port 3 offers in terms of image quality for scaled DVD. Perhaps the end result would not be any better or it could be worse but I would like to see.
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barclay66
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: |
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OK,
in this case You might use the other Lumagen with VGA output. What's needed in addition is a VGA to port 3 cable. I have one or two of those left from the time when I changed my setup (the HDFury is now mounted next to the Barco's inputs and connected with a very short VGA-BNC breakout cable). I have to measure their length though...
Regards,
barclay66
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km987654
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| barclay66 wrote: | OK,
in this case You might use the other Lumagen with VGA output. What's needed in addition is a VGA to port 3 cable. I have one or two of those left from the time when I changed my setup (the HDFury is now mounted next to the Barco's inputs and connected with a very short VGA-BNC breakout cable). I have to measure their length though...
Regards,
barclay66 |
OK let me know what you have.
This is a hobby fo me and checking different configurations is an enjoyable part.
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