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Tim in Phoenix
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 4409 Location: Phoenix
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado
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I'm not sure he's a thief, although swindler might be more appropriate? More likely he's just ignorant of what the market of the part?
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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Doesn't seem like a thief or swindler to me... Perhaps you guys missed the part where he's not just selling the raw Dallas chip, but handling copying the info from the old chip to the new chip, and mailing it back to the buyer, with a guarantee?
Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me compared to buying an EEPROM programmer and learning how to do it yourself... Or am I missing something?
SC
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macgyver655
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 8508
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| ecrabb wrote: | I missing something?
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Yes. There are guys on here that will do it for almost nothing but the price of the part. And if you google G90, curtpalme is right at or near the top.
Besides, if you own a G90 and your not on here then you have bigger problems, lol.
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado
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| ecrabb wrote: | Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me compared to buying an EEPROM programmer and learning how to do it yourself... Or am I missing something?
SC | sounds reasonable to me. I didn't see that part, and I'm aware that people have different ideas of what any particular persons time is worth .I suppose if your making 12 bucks and hour the thought of paying someone 30 or 40 an hour to do something, even if it's technical in nature, is hard to swallow.
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macgyver655
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 8508
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The process would take about 3 minutes if you took your time. But then there is putting it in the envelope that they sent you. Then the trip to the mail box.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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Point taken, Mac. But, what would a fair price be to do this if you were doing it? Consider all involved: Order and stock the Dallas chips, copy and burn the chips, respond to emails, shipping it back, potential support, and of course the fact that you must have invested in the equipment and knowledge to have the EEPROM burning capability in the first place.
Is it possible it's some of you who are offering services like this too inexpensively rather than the eBay guy being too expensive...
How much is just an EEPROM burner by itself?
SC
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macgyver655
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 8508
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A new moderate programmer around 70 bucks. I guess its all in how you look at it. Its just seems a bit much I guess. But it does take some effort. Hey, for all we know it's someone on here that's doing it, LOL.
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wallace123456
Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Northwest VA area
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Maybe I'm wrong, but this guy has been selling these for a long time now.
wallace
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Elaine Benes
Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 1416
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Pot v Kettle ?
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Alan Head
Joined: 07 Aug 2006 Posts: 38
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Axatax
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 403
TV/Projector: Sony VPH-G70Q (aka Barco Cine8 Onyx)
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Totally reasonable, IMHO.
If you read the ad, he's not just selling the chip. He's performing an additional service of copying over existing settings.
This is like complaining that a well-known CRT projector vendor in Arizona has the gall to charge labor on a tube change or fan mod when it's possible to DIY.
Come on.
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macgyver655
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 8508
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I dont think anyone is complaining about charging for doing a service. Its more of an issue of the amount for the service.
Hell, I repair the Pioneer freezing boards and I only charge 75 bucks and that includes parts, labor and return shipping.
And that repair takes longer then to reprogram a chip. And the difference in parts cost is not all that much.
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Axatax
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 403
TV/Projector: Sony VPH-G70Q (aka Barco Cine8 Onyx)
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I don't see anyone else offering the same service.
You can always ship your G90 to Sony and they'll take of you for a four figure sum.
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overclkr
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 4227
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| macgyver655 wrote: | I dont think anyone is complaining about charging for doing a service. Its more of an issue of the amount for the service.
Hell, I repair the Pioneer freezing boards and I only charge 75 bucks and that includes parts, labor and return shipping.
And that repair takes longer then to reprogram a chip. And the difference in parts cost is not all that much. |
Agreed. Considering the end user will have to remove the existing chip and send it out to be copied IMHO 150 bucks is high.
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betel
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 448 Location: Maryville, Tennessee (Just South of Knoxville)
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But isn't anyone who owns G90 rich and should pay more? I mean it's only fair!
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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OK, we get the picture... $150 is too high. Fine. But, I still want to hear from a couple of you (especially you, Mac)... Given all that's involved, what would be a fair price?
Oh, and Mac... How long does it take you to do the Pioneer repair? Because $75 sounds awfully cheap to me considering the expertise involved, and the time it probably took you to research and develop the fix to begin with. If the parts are $20, and you spend even an hour doing the repair and dealing with return shipping, then you're working too cheaply, IMHO. You're time is a limited resource, your expertise is very specialized, and short of junking the receiver, you're probably one of the only games in town. I'm not saying you can charge anything, but $75 does seem cheap to me.
SC
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macgyver655
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 8508
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| Axatax wrote: | I don't see anyone else offering the same service.
You can always ship your G90 to Sony and they'll take of you for a four figure sum. |
I believe there are guys on here that have already done it for others.
But as far as openly offering it, I thought Frank D was offering it on AVS.
I guess if your not on or know of either AVS or here then what other option do you have. Well maybe check with your installer if you had one.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Well maybe check with your installer if you had one. |
...99% of which would now say, "Huh... I don't know... I can take out that G90, recycle it, and install a <insert $5000 digital projector model number here> for you, no problem."
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3353 Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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Oh geeze quit yer bitchin.
The whole idea of providing a service for a fee is to make money. If you don't like the charges then don't buy them.
Most shops do have a minumum fee for anything. My minumum for anything is $147.50. If I go to someones house for a no heat call and some nim-rod has shut of the emergency switch by accident and all I had to do is flip it back on, you guessed it. If it's at night, I tack on another $50.00 fo after hour charges
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