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Wognose
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:21 am Post subject: Moome EXT-FULLHD V3 on Sony G70, unstable picture. |
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Hi,
I am really hoping someone can help me because this problem is seriously doing my head in. I recently decided I wanted to upgrade my home theatre to support 3D so I have purchased the Moome EXT-FULLHD V3 3D card to use on my Sony G70 Projector that is connected to my blu - ray HTPC. I don't really know all the technical terms but I will do my best to explain the problem.
I connected the Moome card to the projector using a VGA to 5BNC cable and the HTPC to the Moome card using a HDMI 1.4 cable. The problem I am having is I can't get a stable picture, the image is there but it spins or pans (not sure of the correct term) on the screen I have my G70 set to:
5BNC off
Input A - HDTV-GRB
Sync - [HV]
Sync OSC - 1
Though I have tried every different setting I could think of on the G70 and nothing seems to help, I have also tried playing with the DIP switches on the Moome with no luck. I thought is may be a problem with my HTPC so I formated the hard drive and re-installed windows 7 from scratch, then I tested every resolution and Hz possible and still the same problem persists.
PLEASE HELP.... I have read so many forums but can't seem to find anything that relates, I wish someone had written a guide for Moome on the G70, that would be a great help.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Hmm... I have a 1292 with EXT V3 working fine, there shouldn't be a problem there with a G70.
Can u post a picture and the actual settings of the box? From what u describe it could be a sync problem...
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Wognose
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Ok so I can rule out the HTPC from being the cause of the problem as I just connected my Sony 3D Blu-Ray player and it is doing the exact same thing. I have attached a picture to show exactly what is happening. All 5 DIP switches on the Moome box are in the down position but I am sure I have tried them in every possible position. I am getting so frustrated because connecting it all together was meant to be the easy part, I was expecting the 3D settings to be the difficult part. I have been playing around with it for 2 days now and I really don't have a clue what else to try, I wonder if the Moome card is damaged?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Finally I have managed to get a stable picture, I needed to open the moome card and change one of the pins inside to get it to work, would have been nice if it was simply plug and play instead of all this wasted time of stress and frustration. I can get a stable picture but it still has the same problem when I try 3D, the screen goes crazy again.
I am sure something isn't right because I have read so many forums about how much better the picture looks after installing moome but mine looks worse, so dark and blurry but my convergance is good.
Anyone able to tell me optimal setting for moome on G70 and for 3D through a HDPC using Windows 7?
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| Wognose wrote: | Finally I have managed to get a stable picture, I needed to open the moome card and change one of the pins inside to get it to work, would have been nice if it was simply plug and play instead of all this wasted time of stress and frustration. I can get a stable picture but it still has the same problem when I try 3D, the screen goes crazy again.
I am sure something isn't right because I have read so many forums about how much better the picture looks after installing moome but mine looks worse, so dark and blurry but my convergance is good.
Anyone able to tell me optimal setting for moome on G70 and for 3D through a HDPC using Windows 7? |
Hi,
as I said this was a sync issue  For 3D playback u need to set your display to 720p@120Hz, a list of the allowed resolutions u can find in the ETX V3 manual (Other resolutions than those described in the manual will not work for 3D). If picture is too dark check if u have activated black boost function (dip switch 1), also check gamma, contrast (screw beside VGA connector). What soft player do u use?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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I have tried all the 720p 120 hz as listed in the Manual but they all say not compatable with 3d when I run the test. I am seriously ready to throw the moome Box out the window, it is the most difficult thing I have ever set up in my life.
Also should mention when I change the res to 720/120 the convergence is completely messed up and very blurry, is that normal?
Why does it have to be so difficult?!
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Wognose
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Forgot to mention black boost is on and power DVD 10 is my player but doesn't recognize my system as 3d compatable.
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| Wognose wrote: | I have tried all the 720p 120 hz as listed in the Manual but they all say not compatable with 3d when I run the test. I am seriously ready to throw the moome Box out the window, it is the most difficult thing I have ever set up in my life.
Also should mention when I change the res to 720/120 the convergence is completely messed up and very blurry, is that normal?
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Well, once u have setup convergence correctly for a specific resolution u have at least to adjust convergence for another resolution when frequency is in another range. As an example convergence settings for 1080p@60Hz will be saved in a different memory block than 720p@120Hz. So if u have never setup convergence for 720p@120Hz and have never copied convergence settings from the memory block u have correctly setup (like 1080p@60Hz) then this is normal behaviour. When image looks blurry it could be that is caused by extreme H-shift positioning, try to adjust H-shift perhpas it helps.
For the rest it is important to know what 3D-Hardware u use (Emitter/sync extractor and glasses), this has impact on how PowerDVD recognizes the display hardware.
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Thanks for that info, I am using nvidia 3d vision shutter glasses with the ir emmiter. How do I save to a different memory block on my g70? Also when I change the black boost and the gamma & contrast on the moome nothing happens, should it be a noticable change? Sorry for all the questions, I really do appreciate your help.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:15 am Post subject: |
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u have to take a look in the install manual for G70, there is a way to copy an existing custom memory. Otherwise u have to setup from the scratch. For contrast and gamma changes u have to turn the screws significantly (half turn) to see a difference.
I have also nvidia 3d vision and my video chain looks like this:
HTPC with Nvidia GTS450 -> HDMI -> Moome EXT V3 -> VGA/RGB -> SONY 1292
-> USB -> Nvidia IR emitter
This configuration should also work for you. In order that Nvidia 3DVision recognizes the Moome EXT V3 as 3D capable device u have to do the following trick:
- Download the .inf file from my post and rename it to Acer_H5360.inf
- you can have a look in there and make adjustments only for the names so u can recognize the device later ( I have given it the name Moome)
- go to the control panel of your HTPC (hardware)
- choose monitor and then change driver
- then choose the changed .inf file
- save everything
- disconnect IR emitter from USB
- run Nvidia setup
- now the Moome box should recongnized as a 3D capable device
unfortunately to pass the hardware of Nvidia u have to wear the glasses upside down. But in Powerdvd10 u can switch polarity so u can wear them correctly. Anyway after Nvidia test is passed u will be able to select an nvidia 3d vision capable device as output in powerdvd. 3d bluray playback should be now no problem 
Perhaps u can also have a look in the thread:
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=24759.html
That's it!
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Yay it's working, well sort of thanks heaps for all that info prover! I have read that link several times and it has also help to get me this far. My problem now is when I switch to 3d on power DVD the screen goes blank? I can hear the movie is playing but no picture. I have tried several different resolutions but when I go higher in res the picture get more unclear and it is converged, so confused why this is happening. I was so excited to get 3d in my theatre but man what a headache!
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I now have a 3D image on power DVD but it is small in the top left corner of the screen and blurry. I am so confused as to why my image gets blurrier as I go to a higher res? I want this to work so bad but after 5 day working on it I don't know how much more I can take! All I wanted is a clearer hd picture with 3D as shown on Moomes page but none of it has happened, all I have is blurry picture and bad 3D image. I re-focused and converged the projector yesterday and it is better than it has ever been, I just want to be able to see my super sharp image!!!
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Is there a way of using Sony's transmitter and 3D shutter glasses on a HTPC?
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Wognose
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I have 3d picture finally!!!! Turns out the cable I was using wasn't hdmi 1.4, so I tried another cable and it worked. What res do you have your pc set to prover? I have 3d picture but really bad flicker on the glasses and the blurry picture with higher res I just don't get it.
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| Wognose wrote: | | I have 3d picture finally!!!! Turns out the cable I was using wasn't hdmi 1.4, so I tried another cable and it worked. What res do you have your pc set to prover? I have 3d picture but really bad flicker on the glasses and the blurry picture with higher res I just don't get it. |
Cables can be sometimes an issue although I didn't have such a problem till now... but there is always a first time 
I have my HTPC running with 720p@120Hz for 3D. Higher res will not work for 3D at least not with the box. What you could try for verification is to connect your G70 directly to your Nvidia grafix via HDMI/VGA-Adapter. Normally such a adapter should be delivered with the grafix card. If this test leads to a better result it could also be that the Moome box has a problem, I would give it a try.
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It's funny I seem to ask the question then work it out. The problem was I had my G70 set to HDTV-GBR and it should have been RGB. I have tried many different resolutions for the 3D and found the 1080p resolutions worked heaps better with less flicker but I can't get rid of the red warning message from the nvidia software. My problem now is when I try to converge the projector the screen goes full size and alot bigger than my screen so I can't converge the edges too well, I may have to ask a question in the CRT section. You have been a great help prover, thanks!!!
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