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Spanky Ham



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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:53 am    Post subject: Calibration Rental idea?

I think I have mentioned this in the past. I know Nash and I have talked about it a little. Basically, I have thought about renting out calibration equipment locally as a minor business idea. I don't consider this as something that would make a lot of money. This is probably good enough to make a little extra spending cash, as well and more importantly pay for the purchase of some better calibration equipment.

The way I would do this is to have a website and probably market this over at AVS and craigslist. I would have just rent the equipment. The renter would come and pick up the equipment. It would be up to them to familiarize themselves with their tv and the equipment. I would have links and a primer on the website. I figure something like the Eyeone Pro / Display 2 combo would be able to rent for around $75 for three days.

Anyway, just some thoughts. I need to put some more research into this unless everyone thinks it is a bad idea. What does everyone think?
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:14 am    Post subject:

Sounds good to me. I suppose you would use credit card as a deposit. What about shipping it to someone. (like me )
IS it still feasible ?

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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:18 am    Post subject:

I thought about a similar idea, either buying one to rent out to photog friends or renting one off a friend, more so acquaintances as I know a few people locally with the Spider. That's as far as my idea went. Very Happy
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:20 am    Post subject:

Years ago a bought an AVS-1 meter and rented it out a few times enought to get most of my money back out of it. I think its a good idea.

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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:27 am    Post subject:

Thanks guys for the feedback.

Jeff,
Yeah I was thinking of using a CC as a deposit. I don't have a CC account, so I would have to look into Paypal. This is also the thing that is keeping me from looking at the purchase of a better meter.

I hate shipping things, so I would probably steer away from doing that. Also, I am not sure how Tom would feel about that. Plus, it is more difficult to get things returned from out of town.

My best friend said it would probably be better to start on the low end and rent it for cheap than go with a higher end meter. I could see that, but I am not sure if I would have to buy the Pro software or not.
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:34 am    Post subject:

Well we could have had a PR 650 but I f*ck*** it up by pulling the memory card out while it was powered up. it was working from my short 3 minute test. And Photo Research will not send me the calibration file to reprogram the card because they said its too old and they no longer service them, I say its bull sh*t!!!

They told me they had too many customer blame them for calibrating old equipment knowing it would go out of calibration quicker, than a newer unit. I say thats Bull and they just want to sell the new equipment while the old stuff is still reliable!!

Any one have any connection at PR so I can get the File I need to resurrect this Unit?

I put the PCMI card or what ever it is in my lap top and it says it needs to be formatted so i know the contents are gone. i was hoping the file was there and I could extract it and then re format the card and re install the calibration file and Software for the probe.

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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:49 am    Post subject:

That sucks, Nash. I doubt PR is that big of a company. Give Ken a call. David Abrams is another guy that might know someone, but you may not know him. What does Craig use?

I agree it is probably BS.
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:56 am    Post subject:

I was even willing to pay the 1500 to have it calibrated by sending it in but they said sorry. I explained I am a hobbyist and do not plan to use it for making money so i wont bitch if it fall out of calibration or breaks etc once i get it up and running. So now I have no idea what to do.

I sent LA haberline an email, maybe they have the ability to get the file from them or they can do it themselves. I know they are at CES so i dont expect an answer for a week or so.

I asked if I could talk to someone higher up in the company or give me a name of someone and they said said sorry we can't give out that info!! They had the file still too and were about to give it to me but then I got the call about it being too old.

Also if you go to the web site and click on contacts and click the RMA request and put in PR 650 it puts up the message about the SN's BUll!!


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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:09 am    Post subject:

You should have told them that you are a pro and that if they don't give you the file then you would take them to court. I know Datacolor serviced my spectro last year and it is eight years old. I would lay into them like there is no tomorrow if they said that they would service it anymore.
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:13 am    Post subject:

here is the link, scroll down to PR 650 and you'll see the message.

http://www.photoresearch.com/current/rma.asp

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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:00 pm    Post subject:

On the software options page, there is an option for self calibration. Could you buy this software?
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
On the software options page, there is an option for self calibration. Could you buy this software?


Thats the whole issue, they have the 2005 calibration file for this particular probe last time it was sent in for a calibration/maintenance but they wont send it to me. before they new it was in the non service SN range they said they can send it to me for 50 dollars!!! Then i get the call it is too old a unit and they can't send it to me. Idiots!!

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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Well we could have had a PR 650 but I f*ck*** it up by pulling the memory card out while it was powered up. it was working from my short 3 minute test. And Photo Research will not send me the calibration file to reprogram the card because they said its too old and they no longer service them, I say its bull sh*t!!!

They told me they had too many customer blame them for calibrating old equipment knowing it would go out of calibration quicker, than a newer unit. I say thats Bull and they just want to sell the new equipment while the old stuff is still reliable!!

Any one have any connection at PR so I can get the File I need to resurrect this Unit?

I put the PCMI card or what ever it is in my lap top and it says it needs to be formatted so i know the contents are gone. i was hoping the file was there and I could extract it and then re format the card and re install the calibration file and Software for the probe.

Athanasios


What you did is exactly why I wouldn't get involved in a rental situation involving expensive electronic equipment. There are just to many curious fingers here that could not resist the urge to look inside the magic box. Wink At least you did it to your self and don't have to replace someone elses equipment Crying or Very sad

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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:19 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Spanky Ham wrote:
On the software options page, there is an option for self calibration. Could you buy this software?


Thats the whole issue, they have the 2005 calibration file for this particular probe last time it was sent in for a calibration/maintenance but they wont send it to me. before they new it was in the non service SN range they said they can send it to me for 50 dollars!!! Then i get the call it is too old a unit and they can't send it to me. Idiots!!

Athanasios


I understand what you are saying, but can't you buy the software and equipment or do you need the file to go along with the software?
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USC-600 - User Self-Calibration Software
Provides complete recalibration capabilities for the PR-650 including wavelength accuracy, spectral intensity, linearity and accessory calibration. Requires a helium wavelength calibration source (WC-600 or equivalent) and variable spectral radiance/ luminance standard (LRS-455 or equivalent). Supplied on 3 1/2" disks. Refer to the PROML Price List for further information on the WC-600 and LRS-455. One licensed copy per instrument must be purchased.




Chip,
That is one of the reasons why I will probably stick to the cheaper end of the range. Last night I was thinking about the Hubble / i1Pro combo, but probably to risky.
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject:

Each Probe is married to its own calibration file and software. So i need the calibration file for this exact S/N Probe.

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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:02 am    Post subject:

I don't really see the need for a end user to have or require access to a high end colorimeter. 6500 Kelvin is 6500 Kelvin no matter what you test it with. If your test equipment is calibrated, it shouldn't make any visual difference. On the other hand, if you're doing it for a living and it makes your job a little easier then fine. It also looks impressive to the customer when you show up with a 20K$ meter to calibrate their display. But like I said 6500 K is..... Wink

My meter is not leaving the house for any amount of money. Wink

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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:34 am    Post subject:

stefuel wrote:
I don't really see the need for a end user to have or require access to a high end colorimeter. 6500 Kelvin is 6500 Kelvin no matter what you test it with. If your test equipment is calibrated, it shouldn't make any visual difference. On the other hand, if you're doing it for a living and it makes your job a little easier then fine. It also looks impressive to the customer when you show up with a 20K$ meter to calibrate their display. But like I said 6500 K is..... Wink

My meter is not leaving the house for any amount of money. Wink


Chip makes an interesting point here. The whole point of a true reference meter is to usually provide a basis for calibration of other meters. Pro's will also use them due to their (often) lightning speed as for them time is money.

For the home user, something like a Chroma 5 which has been professionally calibrated with a reference meter (CurtPalme.com carries this - it's called the "Chroma 5 Pro") at least once a year will give you (IMHO) just as good results for home calibration use.

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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:30 am    Post subject:

stefuel wrote:
I don't really see the need for a end user to have or require access to a high end colorimeter. 6500 Kelvin is 6500 Kelvin no matter what you test it with. If your test equipment is calibrated, it shouldn't make any visual difference. On the other hand, if you're doing it for a living and it makes your job a little easier then fine. It also looks impressive to the customer when you show up with a 20K$ meter to calibrate their display. But like I said 6500 K is..... Wink

My meter is not leaving the house for any amount of money. Wink


Well, that's not really true. It depends entirely what you're measuring. Measuring something like a CRT is relatively easier. Something with really wacky SPD like an LED-lit display, particularly if you're doing CMS work, you need a very accurate meter, and particularly with really spikey sources like that, you need to move away from a tristimulus meter altogether, and use a spectrometer.

D65 is D65, sure, but there are an infinite number of different SPDs that all make D65 (and D65 is not interchangeable with 6500K). And unless you have a tristimulus meter that is 100% identical to the human visual response curves (and none is, no matter how expensive), then some will not measure as D65, and particularly if you're doing color work, it becomes even more critical.

That's why some cheap meters are alright at getting you D65 on most displays, but pretty much useless for doing anything else.
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:35 am    Post subject:

the reason i wanted to use the PR 650 was to get the Zone contrast done in the blend zone. its much easier to leave the pR 650 in one spot and aim the lens to the zone i wanted to adjust. with a I1 pro or my Chroma 5 i have to move the tripod to each location. and no tripiod will raise high enough to get the upper corners. i had to stack boxes to reach thet. and to keep moving a probe is a pain.

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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:38 am    Post subject:

Very true!

Everyone click here to purchase a JETI Specbos 1211!: http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure_JETI.shtm

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(Nice spectro meter, not so nice price for the average person).

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