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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:00 am Post subject: Onkyo 1008 - This looks pretty neat! |
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I am constantly looking and waiting to replace my ancient H/K AVR-325 that I purchased about 7 years ago for $450 I think.
I could remove a few adapters and switchers with a new AVR. I would like a Pre/Pro with amps but that doesn't appear to be in the cards with the features I want at the price point I am willing to pay.
Why won't they just strip the amps from the 1008 and cut off $300?!
Here are the features:
-Network capability for Internet radio and streaming audio files (MP3, WMA, WMA Lossless, FLAC, WAV, Ogg Vorbis, AAC, LPCM)
-135 Watts per channel at 8 Ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC
-7 HDMI inputs (1 front/6 rear) and 2 outputs; pop-open/close front access panel
-Audyssey DSX and Dolby Pro Logic IIz for new surround channels
-ISF (Imaging Science Foundation) Video Calibration and HDMI video upscaling to 1080p
I think the 808 is essentially the same unit with 2 fewer channels of amplification and now ISF calibration features.
Newegg has had the 1008 for $800 if you can time it right.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:55 am Post subject: Re: Onkyo 1008 - This looks pretty neat! |
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | Why won't they just strip the amps from the 1008 and cut off $300?! |
Because they don't have to. That's always frustrated me, too... But, they have no reason to cut the price on a prepro if they can basically strip the amps from the 1008 and ADD $300 and people will STILL pay for it. That's basically what the Integra DHC-40.1 is that they sell for thousands of for $1200.
Greg, you should just grab something cheap like a refurb TX-SR707...
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR707A/Onkyo/TX-SR707-Thx-Select2-Plus-100-watts-channel-7.2-Receiver-NEW/1.html
It gets you HDMI switching, advanced audio, Audyssey... Cleans up your rack, simplifies switching, and really makes things simple for not a lot of money.
Then, in a year or two, move the Onkyo to the living room and pick up a nice used Integra DHC-9.9 like mine or a Marantz AV7005.
SC
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Probably going to get HDMI 1.4a if possible just to cover my ass for a few more years since I upgrade every 6 or 7 years.
Already have a 507 in the living room...don't need one for any other rooms at this point in time.
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kal
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Onkyo 1008 - This looks pretty neat! |
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | -ISF (Imaging Science Foundation) Video Calibration |
What a bunch of marketing bunk. They added "isf Certified Calibration Control" which basically means that they added controls so that a calibrator (ISF'er) can adjust things that he needs to adjust.
Just another excuse to add another logo to their wall.
Let's see....
http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=TX-NR1008&class=Receiver&p=i
Yup. There it is. "ISF". 30 logos and counting.
As a bonus ignorant consumers are going to think that this means that their home theater is now automatically "ISF calibrated".
(Sorry, end rant... I'm sure it's actually good receiver - both Onkyo and Integra make great stuff at bargain prices!)
Kal
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Onkyo 1008 - This looks pretty neat! |
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| kal wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | -ISF (Imaging Science Foundation) Video Calibration |
What a bunch of marketing bunk. They added "isf Certified Calibration Control" which basically means that they added controls so that a calibrator (ISF'er) can adjust things that he needs to adjust.
Just another excuse to add another logo to their wall.
Let's see....
http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=TX-NR1008&class=Receiver&p=i
Yup. There it is. "ISF". 30 logos and counting.
As a bonus ignorant consumers are going to think that this means that their home theater is now automatically "ISF calibrated".
(Sorry, end rant... I'm sure it's actually good receiver - both Onkyo and Integra make great stuff at bargain prices!)
Kal |
I totally agree about feature whoring...and I fall into it quite a bit.
But I was under the impression that the ISF calibration sticker equated to some advanced controls over the picture...have to dig into the manual to see if that is the case or not.
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WanMan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure I buy into the whole ISF thing. I would rather calibrate to a standard, and then move there to what I like. Besides, I am not sure I can yet buy into passing video into an AVR.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Guys, the ISF color controls in AVR's is actually a great feature.
Let's say you calibrate your display to one source. Is it calibrated to all sources? Even if you have a really advanced TV with color controls for each input, as soon as you threw an AVR in the mix for switching and audio, then you defeated input-specific color controls in the display even if it was the rare display that had it.
ISFccc in these new AVR's and prepros fixes all that and lets you tweak individual sources with their own color controls. DirecTV a little too pink? No problem. Cable box has a green cast? No problem.
Of all the crap built into these new AVR's and prepros, the ISF color controls are actually one of the most useful and you guys are panning it!
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kal
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| ecrabb wrote: | Guys, the ISF color controls in AVR's is actually a great feature.
Let's say you calibrate your display to one source. Is it calibrated to all sources? Even if you have a really advanced TV with color controls for each input, as soon as you threw an AVR in the mix for switching and audio, then you defeated input-specific color controls in the display even if it was the rare display that had it.
ISFccc in these new AVR's and prepros fixes all that and lets you tweak individual sources with their own color controls. DirecTV a little too pink? No problem. Cable box has a green cast? No problem.
Of all the crap built into these new AVR's and prepros, the ISF color controls are actually one of the most useful and you guys are panning it!
SC |
I stand corrected! I didn't know that ISFccc is actually something useful like that. Thought it was more marketing junk.
I agree with SC having some offetting like this can be very useful.
I tend to however just calibrate for my 'best' source (Blu-ray). The other sources (HDTV/SDTV) take a back seat. They're all over the place anyway (every channel is different).
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ecrabb
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| kal wrote: | | I stand corrected! I didn't know that ISFccc is actually something useful like that. Thought it was more marketing junk. |
That's understandable since there is so much marketing junk. That's the problem with putting so many features into these things... It gets hard to sort through what's worthless crap for the brochure and what's actually something useful.
| kal wrote: | | I tend to however just calibrate for my 'best' source (Blu-ray). The other sources (HDTV/SDTV) take a back seat. They're all over the place anyway (every channel is different). |
This is true. Most of the time, everything else is acceptable once you calibrate your main source. But, it's nice for people to be able to buy a <$1000 AVR that they need anyway, and get much of the control that would have previously only been found in very expensive dedicated processors.
Just for reference, here are the controls available on my Integra DHC-9.9 with the ISFccc control, with memory for each input:
Brightness (–50 to +50)
Contrast (–50 to +50)
Hue (–20 to +20)
Saturation (–50 to +50)
Picture Mode (Auto/Video/Film)
Edge Enhancement (Off/Low/Medium/High)
Mosquito NR (Off/Low/Medium/High)
Random NR (Off/Low/Medium/High)
Block NR (Off/On)
Gamma (-3 to +3)
RBrightness (–50 to +50)
RContrast (–50 to +50)
GBrightness (–50 to +50)
GContrast (–50 to +50)
BBrightness (–50 to +50)
BContrast (–50 to +50)
My prepro is basically two years old now; I think the new stuff is even more powerful.
SC
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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You are selling me on this unit pretty good SC!
I just need to watch for it to dip to $800 again...
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ecrabb
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| WanMan wrote: | | I'm not sure I buy into the whole ISF thing. I would rather calibrate to a standard, and then move there to what I like. |
Huh? How is "calibrating to a standard" somehow incompatible with "the whole ISF thing", Wan? The ISFccc controls in this AVR simply give you controls you otherwise wouldn't have. You still calibrate the display; you just have some additional control here.
| WanMan wrote: | | Besides, I am not sure I can yet buy into passing video into an AVR. |
So, it makes you feel better passing the video through a $50 HDMI switch?
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