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Odd Marquee 8500 setup issues - certain functions are out.
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mrfixit



Joined: 17 Jul 2008
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Location: Ypsilanti, MI

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:43 am    Post subject:

No joy...
Had enough energy to get the CLB put in, it does show v5.5 for DPB U7 (and 4.2c ROM), but no difference as far as controlling those specific geometry functions.
Tomorrow I'll try a swap of the focus module after giving the PJ I picked up today a good going over (it's still in the car).
I also pulled the rear heatsink to change out the anamorphic mod resistors in the morning; as suspected they are 30k's.

Anything else I should look for while I'm at it?

Thanks all - Lewis
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Nashou66



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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:48 am    Post subject:

on an ultra DPB there are more than one Fly Wire near the Connectors. a short one and then a longer one, maybe 2 -3 inches.
if its not there then I think you can add it to make it an ultra DPB unless some other chips have different software as well . I am not sure about that MP or TSE would know more, or Tim.

also if the rear heat sink boards do not have fly wires on them then some functions will not work as they do some wave forms
on those boards as well. look for red wima film caps on the VDM. Thats another give away.

Athanasios

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mrfixit



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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
on an ultra DPB there are more than one Fly Wire near the Connectors. a short one and then a longer one, maybe 2 -3 inches.
if its not there then I think you can add it to make it an ultra DPB unless some other chips have different software as well . I am not sure about that MP or TSE would know more, or Tim.

also if the rear heat sink boards do not have fly wires on them then some functions will not work as they do some wave forms
on those boards as well. look for red wima film caps on the VDM. Thats another give away.

Athanasios


OK, despite it being +90 again today and being all by myself, I got the other PJ out of the car and into the house. It has the "1/2 type" focus PCB so no swap out test available there. Revisiting the CLM daughterboard, yes both a very long and a short fly wire are on the daughterboard.
The heatsink modules between both PJ's are identical; they look somehow relatively "new" in that they are visibly newer/cleaner than the other boards - even the silkscreening/font looks "newer" and there are labels/stickers covering the older part numbers with newer numbers (the VDM is 03-263330-01P) and have the newer white box caps versus the older red Wima's.
Neither heatsink sets have ANY fly wires...

Suggestions and or close-up photos/schematics of the fly wire mods that may allow me to resolve this? I have skills, scopes etc. but eventually there still would be a sensible stopping point to all of this and living with it...

Thanks!
Lewis
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tse



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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:34 pm    Post subject:

It's a long thread but should answer your questions.

https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=19215.html

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mrfixit



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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject:

tse wrote:
It's a long thread but should answer your questions.

https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=19215.html

Scott


Thanks!
Quickly looking over the thread it looks like what I need to do...

Lewis
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Nashou66



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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:49 am    Post subject:

Thats the thread I was looking for!!! How do find these Scott? The search engine here is the only thing I can never use correctly it seams.

I book marked it now Wink

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mrfixit



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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: OK - some minor insights/clarification please!

First off, using the "hidden" green convergence options to "square things off" as much as possible first, made a big difference in getting a pretty damned good picture. And I changed out the 30k resistors w/68k to allow newer anamorphic ratios.
At the same time, seeing as I have a full spare heatsink, and I just as soon not stress the amps by forcing extreme convergence, I've started the various fly wire mods as detailed in the link provided earlier in the thread.

The convergence mods are clearly documented and both easy and "done". However the VDM mod is not as clear either in the photos or the descriptions. So bear with me here as I try to describe what I'm seeing as well as what I can't actually "see"... Embarassed

OK lets start at "U8" where we have a fly wire and a cap. Based on the text, the cap is 100mfd 50v. it seems that the positive side is attached to pin 8. The negative side isn't actually visible but -appears- to be on the corner pin (13 if the numbers "wrap around"). Is this correct?
Next - the fly wire - looks like pin 12 to me.
Now, at the other end is where it visually goes to crap even when enlarging the photos...At U701 a resistor goes across the IC - one end on pin 9 (again - assuming numerical wrap around) but, the other end? Is it just to the fly wire or, is it the fly wire and pin 6? I can't really tell. Also the text refers to a 10k value but the pictures aren't too clear/representative of that value...

Once this is clarified and I've tested with success, I'll also add an "addendum" to that thread for others who may try this!

As always - thanks to all in advance!!!

Lewis
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karmat63



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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject:

Menec gave me the right pics (Thanks again, Menec). I think they show the VDM mod clearly:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/download.php?id=10172

Hope this help mrfixit (I send you the same pictures via pm) and everyone eventually interested in this mod

Carmine

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mrfixit



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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:26 pm    Post subject:

karmat63 wrote:
Menec gave me the right pics (Thanks again, Menec). I think they show the VDM mod clearly:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/download.php?id=10172

Hope this help mrfixit (I send you the same pictures via pm) and everyone eventually interested in this mod

Carmine


Damn, link still didn't work!
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Tim in Phoenix



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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject:

Send me your e.mail address, I'll get you some hi res pictures.


Tim

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mrfixit



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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:04 am    Post subject:

Tim in Phoenix wrote:
Send me your e.mail address, I'll get you some hi res pictures.


Tim

ehometech@earthlink.net


Email and PM's sent - Thanks!!

Lewis
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mrfixit



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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Success! And thank you everyone!

I just want to toss out a big thank you to all involved in this thread as well as the linked thread (which I will post in shortly for minor info tweaks).

Extra thanks go to Tim and TSE who followed up via emails with additional confirmations and hi-res photos to help clarify certain details.
You guys are all great and your knowledge pool is exceptional.

After cobbling pieces from the two "new" 8500's, with the proper SW (v4.2c), rom (U7 v5.2 on up), and fly wires, resistors, caps etc. I now have all of the additional geometry functions operational!

And yes, it does make a difference - after a full reset, and "roughing in" the base geometry settings, I looked at green convergences in the hidden menus and right off the bat I did not have to "fake it" via convergence adjustments which certainly lowers the stress on that sub-system...

I still have fine tuning to do (plenty) before I get my ISF buddy over to calibrate it, but the results are very good at the get-go.

Again - thank you all for the support and collective information, it is genuinely appreciated!

Lewis - aka mrfixit
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dvh99



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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:17 pm    Post subject:

if all those geometry functions are out you betcha it is the dpb on the clm.
solder u7 straight on the dpb.

edit: seems like we were posting at the same time.
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mrfixit



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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:29 pm    Post subject:

dvh99 wrote:
if all those geometry functions are out you betcha it is the dpb on the clm.
solder u7 straight on the dpb.

edit: seems like we were posting at the same time.


Yea, the issue was that these two 8500's were a collective of "FrankenF*!ked" units with a mix of boards, processors and the like. Between the two I had a v5.5 rom, and was then able to add the missing fly wire/resistors/caps etc. to give me full on "Ultra" geometry tweaks.
All is good!
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