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TheVerge
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: Do you rip Blu-Ray's to your hard drive for easy access..... |
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NOT ANYMORE !!!
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/03/03/new_cinavia_drm_takes_aim_at_pirates
It's out in the wild, no solutions.
Sucks, i like having everything on giant hard drives in 7MC with covers and actor pictures... it looks really slick. Now i guess i have to put an ugly blu-ray tower in my living room so i can dig through cases. Poo !!
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Tom.W
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if Any DVD HD has found a workaround for this....
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I dont think you read that correctly. This has no affect on BRs ripped to HDD. It only affects pirated discs.
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emdawgz1
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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It's only P2P sharers that this will affect...
I dont p2p....
and i havent ripped a BR disc yet so i'm good.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | I dont think you read that correctly. This has no affect on BRs ripped to HDD. It only affects pirated discs. |
That's not the way I read it... At least, not considering the comments. Seems like lots of people are having problem playing certain ripped BD's on the PS3, which since the PS3 is updated so fast/often, indicates that it will only be a matter time until you won't be able to stream to appliances with the BS DRM installed.
I suppose there will be workarounds, but this is yet another damn example of the fair-use slipping away and legit user getting screwed over by the ******* who have to steal everything and the content owners who react to the ******* by trying to lock everything down.
Sigh.
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | I dont think you read that correctly. This has no affect on BRs ripped to HDD. It only affects pirated discs. |
That's not the way I read it... At least, not considering the comments. Seems like lots of people are having problem playing certain ripped BD's on the PS3, which since the PS3 is updated so fast/often, indicates that it will only be a matter time until you won't be able to stream to appliances with the BS DRM installed.
I suppose there will be workarounds, but this is yet another damn example of the fair-use slipping away and legit user getting screwed over by the ******* who have to steal everything and the content owners who react to the ******* by trying to lock everything down.
Sigh.
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PS3 maybe...one of the very last sentences says it doesnt affect playback on PC's.
I don't see how it will affect AnyDVD HD...it is a playback protection feature...
I don't see how it will affect MKV's.
Not worried.
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ecrabb
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Right, Greg... It's a playback control method, so obviously the player would have to integrate the technology. Unless the software players integrate it, no problem for HTPC users. If they did, it would be a problem, though since it's an audio watermarking scheme... AnyDVD couldn't do much about that without screwing with the audio pretty significantly. Oh, and it absolutely does seem to affect MKV's... At least that's how I read some of the comments in the thread.
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | Right, Greg... It's a playback control method, so obviously the player would have to integrate the technology. Unless the software players integrate it, no problem for HTPC users. If they did, it would be a problem, though since it's an audio watermarking scheme... AnyDVD couldn't do much about that without screwing with the audio pretty significantly. Oh, and it absolutely does seem to affect MKV's... At least that's how I read some of the comments in the thread.
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Do you know how many free players play MKV?! There is no way it will affect ripped and converted MKV's...I just don't see it making a big difference. Is it stupid...yes.
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Tom.W
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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With all this DRM BS your going to need a new blur ray player every year or two unless your player gets constant firmware updates.
Unfortunately I DO NOT see this happening for discontinued models. 
HDMI just sucks !
At first I thought back compatibility was required by law but it appears it is NOT ......
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TheVerge
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | I dont think you read that correctly. This has no affect on BRs ripped to HDD. It only affects pirated discs. |
That's not the way I read it... At least, not considering the comments. Seems like lots of people are having problem playing certain ripped BD's on the PS3, which since the PS3 is updated so fast/often, indicates that it will only be a matter time until you won't be able to stream to appliances with the BS DRM installed.
I suppose there will be workarounds, but this is yet another damn example of the fair-use slipping away and legit user getting screwed over by the ******* who have to steal everything and the content owners who react to the ******* by trying to lock everything down.
Sigh.
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PS3 maybe...one of the very last sentences says it doesnt affect playback on PC's.
I don't see how it will affect AnyDVD HD...it is a playback protection feature...
I don't see how it will affect MKV's.
Not worried. |
Exactly though, my movies are all on my 7MC in theater room. PS3 in the living room, soon i might not be able to stream a movie out there...
Poo i say !!
Check that, already i cannot buy The Losers and store it on my 7MC and stream it to a ps3.... I don't know what the losers is, and i don't plan on buying it... but how long before it's on all blu-rays.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | Do you know how many free players play MKV?! There is no way it will affect ripped and converted MKV's...I just don't see it making a big difference. Is it stupid...yes. |
It won't affect the MKV's themselves, and you'll presumably be able to play this stuff on any number of PC-based players. I'm talking about for those (like TheVerge) who perhaps don't have a PC everywhere they want to play their content, or people like me who want as few PCs in the house as possible and prefers appliances where possible - we're screwed if this tech becomes more ubiquitous.
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TheVerge
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^
Yup, they are screwing people using stuff in a completely legitimate way.
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| TheVerge wrote: | ^^^^
Yup, they are screwing people using stuff in a completely legitimate way. |
Rather like MS's Win7 activation. If I'd pirated Win7 instead of buying licenses for every computer, I'd have saved tons of time screwing around with phone activation - I swap hardware around a lot in the course of my business (and pleasure). I understand wanting to protect your IP - particularly as someone who relies on software companies' existence for my own business survival, and someone who knows a lot of developers personally - but doing it in a way that screws the consumer is boneheaded.
MS could have avoided most of this if they'd made a way to reactivate Win7 on a different mobo via teh intarwebz instead of just the phone ("Welcome to Microsoft Product Activation. *pregnant pause* If you haven't tried activating online, you should try it. *pregnant pause* [condescending] It's much faster.") Yeah, activation-bitch - just rub it in...
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MS could have avoided most of this if they'd made a way to reactivate Win7 on a different mobo via teh intarwebz instead of just the phone ("Welcome to Microsoft Product Activation. *pregnant pause* If you haven't tried activating online, you should try it. *pregnant pause* [condescending] It's much faster.") Yeah, activation-bitch - just rub it in... |
I hate that too....I bought a Win 7 upgrade for my HTPC that was a Vista machine originally...When I installed the SSD I had to install Vista then install 7, what a PAIN!, I don't recall doing that on the original install of Win 7 it may not have been a new drive...I can't remember. Anyway I got it installed then the online activation was pissed at me...So I had to call the Activation Bitch...The only question the nice East Indian person asked was "Is this the only computer this copy of Windows" is installed on? I then said yes...and got a new code.
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | Do you know how many free players play MKV?! There is no way it will affect ripped and converted MKV's...I just don't see it making a big difference. Is it stupid...yes. |
It won't affect the MKV's themselves, and you'll presumably be able to play this stuff on any number of PC-based players. I'm talking about for those (like TheVerge) who perhaps don't have a PC everywhere they want to play their content, or people like me who want as few PCs in the house as possible and prefers appliances where possible - we're screwed if this tech becomes more ubiquitous.
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So you think all media streamers will be affected by this?
Like media center extenders, WDTV, mVix, tVix, popcorn hour, etc. etc.?
I don't get that from the companies website at all. I don't know how people are extracting this information from the press release or the website unless it is actually happening right now.
Let me be clear...
Do you think that a BR rip converted into a MKV container will no longer be able to be streamed across a local network to various STB players available?
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| MikeEby wrote: | | perisoft wrote: |
MS could have avoided most of this if they'd made a way to reactivate Win7 on a different mobo via teh intarwebz instead of just the phone ("Welcome to Microsoft Product Activation. *pregnant pause* If you haven't tried activating online, you should try it. *pregnant pause* [condescending] It's much faster.") Yeah, activation-bitch - just rub it in... |
I hate that too....I bought a Win 7 upgrade for my HTPC that was a Vista machine originally...When I installed the SSD I had to install Vista then install 7, what a PAIN!, I don't recall doing that on the original install of Win 7 it may not have been a new drive...I can't remember. Anyway I got it installed then the online activation was pissed at me...So I had to call the Activation Bitch...The only question the nice East Indian person asked was "Is this the only computer this copy of Windows" is installed on? I then said yes...and got a new code.
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Neat trick I heard on the radio today about talking with India customer service reps.
You should press 2 for Spanish and then when the person gets on the line just ask if they speak english and when they say yes you can ask your questions...they will likely be based out of the US.
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jask
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: |
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then ask them if they have any proof of citiz......
hello?
hello??
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TheVerge
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | Do you know how many free players play MKV?! There is no way it will affect ripped and converted MKV's...I just don't see it making a big difference. Is it stupid...yes. |
It won't affect the MKV's themselves, and you'll presumably be able to play this stuff on any number of PC-based players. I'm talking about for those (like TheVerge) who perhaps don't have a PC everywhere they want to play their content, or people like me who want as few PCs in the house as possible and prefers appliances where possible - we're screwed if this tech becomes more ubiquitous.
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So you think all media streamers will be affected by this?
Like media center extenders, WDTV, mVix, tVix, popcorn hour, etc. etc.?
I don't get that from the companies website at all. I don't know how people are extracting this information from the press release or the website unless it is actually happening right now.
Let me be clear...
Do you think that a BR rip converted into a MKV container will no longer be able to be streamed across a local network to various STB players available? |
The press release i posted was just for reference, this is in the wild right now on 2 blu-ray discs.
There are reports that the WDTV won't play these, but they are unconfirmed so i don't know if they are legitimate or not. I would imagine all it would take is a firmware update to enable this on pretty much any streaming video player. I doubt the companies will waste time though, as that would kill their market.
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