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andreas
Joined: 31 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: ps3+marquee |
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hi there!
i've now installed my 9500 lc ultra with my ps3 system. it works for blurry, but if i throw in a dvd the setup does not work. how do i setup a internal frequency without reseating the bd setup?
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JustGreg
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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Location: Kenosha, WI
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Hi andreas....I'm having the same problem with the PS3 and a Marquee 8500 AC. I had NO problems before the last system update Sony pushed to the PS3's about a month or so ago.  I didn't make the connection between loss of PQ and the update so really dug into my pj thinking the problem was elsewhere.
I've done a couple complete reinitializations, replaced my red tube (it needed it anyway but red seemed to be blooming the worst), swapped out most of the boards and PS's, and it's still the same thing while using the PS3....smearing, blooming, and generally soft and out of convergence.
With the PS3 powered off and no other sources the internal patterns are as sharp as I've ever gotten them.
I have mine all apart at the moment so can't check other sources. I should have done it before tearing it down but hindsight is 20/20 as the saying goes... I sure wish I had but I probably never would have taken on replacing most caps and alot of resistors so....some good will come of being without my beloved 8500 for a while. 
How does your 9500 look with another source connected? If the Fury3 is your only way to connect your other sources you obviously can't test my theory that Sony hosed the timings and scan rates in their last PS3 'update'.
BTW...my pq was gorgeous before at 720p and 1080i with:
PS3->GammaX (HDMI in) -> Input 1
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PS3 (via HDMI cable) to moome ver 1.0 with DVI adapter
(seperate memory setup for each of course)
In short...check your setup with just internal patterns, which aren't usually the best way to throw up a pattern to dial it in-and if that's OK, try to find another way to feed it another source besides the PS3 and see what you get. Then if when you feed it your PS3 signal and it looks like crap; then Sony dropped the ball. Side note: The PS3 works fine with a digital Acer 17" widescreen TCO Development brand monitor. Just getting into PSH on the PS3 causes my 8500 to switch modes 3 or 4 times whereas before the update it didn't do that. I know I keep harping on Sony as the cause but I don't easily buy into coincidences.
If others here are feeding their Marquee x500's the same way you and/or I did and have no problems; and they have the latest system version on their PS3, and there's nothing wrong with your Fury3...then we both have other problems.
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garyfritz
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Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Sony must not pushes updates. I haven't updated mine in a loooong time, since they started having troubles with some releases about a year ago. I just checked and I'm running 2.80, vs. the 3.21 current rev.
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andreas
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well, bu-ray playback seems to work fine... but dvd:s doesnt. Is it possible that i need to do a separate setup for dvd and how to do so? Ive read that one source can have several freuqences and needs to be sat up, but how to do that without deleating my setup for BD?
ive only had the projector for two weeks....I think i have the latest ps3 version but it may be different because i live in sweden
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Check to make sure:
Settings --> Video Settings --> BD / DVD Upscaler
... Is set to "Normal".
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joatmon
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Stupid question here (forgive me if I've overlooked the obvious): How are you connecting the PS3 to your PJ? The DVD upscaler only works on the HDMI output...
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garyfritz
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I'm using a Moome EXT-HD box -- through the HDMI out.
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andreas
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i am using hdmi to hd fury and a dvihdmi conector from the cable to the hd fury and then gamma x to the rgb bables... i am a new crt owner si it might be that i have failed in the setup somewhere.. its not really bad but i think the green and blue bleeds a litle(blooming?)
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maniac
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You need to do a setup one for blurays and one for dvd because you got 50 hz on pal dvd thats what I had to do on my sony 1292.
Sony uses memories that it remember its self when it feed with 50hz or 60hz on same input, don't know if electrohome have it but I think its is metioned in the manual how to setup different resolutions and hz on same input
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JustGreg
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| andreas wrote: | well, bu-ray playback seems to work fine... but dvd:s doesnt. Is it possible that i need to do a separate setup for dvd and how to do so? Ive read that one source can have several freuqences and needs to be sat up, but how to do that without deleating my setup for BD?
ive only had the projector for two weeks....I think i have the latest ps3 version but it may be different because i live in sweden |
Oh you definately need to set up a seperate memory (channel) for each source. You can't expect one unique memory to service all your sources and scanrates. The Marquees seem to function best when there are many memories created even if ASR is off.
After a complete fresh initialization and tedious setup I create two 'reference' memory recalls first. One for 720p the other for 1080i. I don't create a 1080p reference channel on my 8500 AC because I'm just not 'there yet' in regard to my mods/upgrades and setup skills...that and I'm running stock but ~9-10 rated Panasonic tubes.
I then use those as a starting point or baseline for new memories I create. I then copy them to a newly created memory and tweek them for that source or scanrate. You can't just copy to a blank memory or channel because it won't let you. A memory/channel HAS to have a name and an Input determined by you before you can copy an existing memory to it.
You have to name it, something like PS3 720p (obviously name it whatever the source is and what scanrate you'll be sending) and then select the Input you'll be sending the signal to. Right arrow across until the entry is finished and the cursor drops down to the next channel number. It's Saved at that point. Then switch your source (PS3, DVD player, STB, SAT, etc) and tweek the convergence, etc. Make sure you lock the memory when you're done. Conversely, make sure you UNlock that channel for minor tweeking and then RElock it.
That all aside....do you really need-or should you be using a Fury(x) in the same chain as a GammaX?? Too much of a good thing isn't always good. Others (Kal? AR? Others??) will know if this is somehow affecting the curves for a given scanrate. I've much to learn about that also.
You said it looks OK except for DVD:s....did you mean standard definition (SD) DVD's (plural descriptor...meaning you meant to use a hyphen. (')) or DVD:s meaning you're feeding your pj a DVD stream via S-Vid? S-Vid is just flat out going to look like crap unless you pre-process the hell out of it and even then..... 
Get good cabling too. Don't buy el-cheapO's because they AREN'T all created equal despite the outright lies you'll see. This goes for RGBHV and HDMI.
Back to the soldering iron. Athanasios (Nashou) is hand holding my way through reworking everything from my PS's to every board in my 8500. Have I mentioned how freekishly smart that guy is for a 'hobbyist"?  
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