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[sulley]

I've got my ext-FullHD v2 1week ago. Finally, I had time to hook it with my Barco 1209s last night. My connection was as follows: Panasonic BD30 and PS3 (1080p/60) HDMI-> Onkyo 905 HDMI (Through) -> ext box -> 1209s. Then I connected the power supply to the box. I noted the LED lights of two HDMI input is kept flashing (seemed like to search for for input). Of course, there was no picture at all.
Then I tried to connect BD30 directly to the box. I got a stunning 1080p picture once the box detected the input. PS3 also showed a fantastic picture when I connected directly to the box. I reconnected the BD30 with Onkyo 905, there was no picture and kept searching the input again.
Does it related to the handshake problem between the box and the Onkyo 905? I've spent whole night in connecting and disconnecting the machines but still can't figure it out.
What can I do ?

Please help. Thanks.

[Rolls-Royce]

Page 52 of the manual states you have to go into the receiver's setup and set HDMI Monitor to HDMI MAIN OUT or HDMI SUB OUT as well as having the box connected to the output you selected. You also need to have the correct output resolution selected. Both of these must be done in order to get an HDMI link and picture.

[sulley]

Thank you Royce,

I definite connected the right HDMI output since I can see the image when I connected the same cable to the TV. Interestingly, I can see image when I entered the setup menu (probably 480p) of Onkyo905. But the picture disappeared once I exit the setup, no matter what resolution I choose ( 480p/ 720p/ 1080i/1080p). any idea?

[sulley]

there are three LEDs at the back (from left to right), let me show you the condition of the LED when I connect the cable to the HDMI 0:

1. before Onkyo905 on: 'red', no light, 'red'
2. Onkyo905 is on: alternate between 'orange' , no light, no light / 'green', no light, 'red' : no picture
3. when I enter the setup of Onkyo905: 'orange', 'green', no light: setup menu can be seen

[Rolls-Royce]

OK, Sulley. The fact that you can see the setup menu tells me that the 905 is "talking" to the EXT-FULLHD. There's one other thing to check. If the 905 works like my 705 (and I'll bet it does), you also have to tell the 905 which of its HDMI inputs you are using for the mode you have selected. In other words, if you want to select your BD30 when you hit the Onkyo remote's 'DVD' key, you have to go into setup for the DVD input and tell it which HDMI input the BD30 is on.

EDIT: The procedure is on page 54 of the manual, where it also says that none of the HDMI inputs are assigned by default. It has to be done manually.

The lights on my box are working exactly the same way as yours, Sulley, and it works as advertised, so I suspect yours is too. I get your condition #2 (flashing back and forth) only when I select an input with no signal, if I select 'DVD' and my player is off, for instance. I'm pretty sure that the 905's HDMI inputs just need to be assigned and you'll be up and running.

[sulley]

I think I have no problem in assigning the HDMI output since there is output when I connect the cable to the TV.

[Rolls-Royce]

[sulley]

Thanks Royce,

Let me make it more clear. I can see the movie from BD30 on TV , it means I have made the right input and output connection. But when I disconnect the cable from TV and reconnect the same HDMI cable to the box, there is no more picture. Therefore, I think it does not relate to the HDMI input/ output assignment. I also tried to turn off and on everything, but still doesn't work.

[AnalogRocks]

[AnalogRocks]

[Rolls-Royce]

[sulley]

[Rolls-Royce]

Another thought, Sulley. Your 905 may need a firmware update. Many of the x05 series receivers (including my 705) needed DSP updates for sound dropouts, long HDMI sync delays, and the infamous DTS "pop". In the "Amps, Receivers, and Processors" area of the AVS Forum, there's a long thread on Onkyo firmware updates for that series. The first post lists latest firmware versions and how to check the firmware on your receiver.

I also found a thread on 1080p input timings for your 1209s on another site: http://www.pixelmagicforum.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-1427.html

Although you mentioned that you do get a good 1080p picture when bypassing the 905, more info is always nice to have.

Hope you get everything straightened out!

[betel]

This sounds a lot like the issue I am having with my Onkyo TX-NR906 except my Moome IFB card accepts the 1080p signal but my 1080p Dell LCD display won't. I purchased the Dell display to use as a secondary monitor for my HT and primary PC monitor. Interestingly, I have an old Samsung 105BW LCD display that will accept the signal just fine through the DVI input and it’s only a 1680 x 1050 display. If the signal is routed directly from my PS3 to the Dell, no problems. I have not been able to find a reason it's doing this but am convinced it’s a HDCP issue. BTW, the 906 has the latest firmware installed.

PS3 --> TX-NR906 (HDMI I/O) --> Moome IFB Full HD V2 --> G90 (GOOD)
PS3 --> TX-NR906 (HDMI I/O) --> Dell ST2410 monitor. (NO GOOD)

[Rolls-Royce]

[sulley]

[Rolls-Royce]

Sulley, what happens when you turn on the box, then the 905, then the BD30, in that order, with everything already connected?

I'm not sure if the HDMI spec includes hot-plugging components, so you might not be able to get a good reliable connection by inserting the cable(s) with everything already powered up. I've never had much luck trying it.

It's weird that you can see the 905's setup menu through the box. This shows that you have a good HDMI connection from the 905 to the EXT-FULLHD, at least when the menu is being displayed. IIRC, the setup menu is only shown at 480i or 480p, so there's a resolution change. But the resolution being sent by the BD30 shouldn't cause a no-signal condition. Everything would indicate normally on the player, receiver, and box, and you'd have sound. You just wouldn't have a picture. I see this on my BD35 with every firmware update-it goes to AUTO resolution and puts up 1080p, which the box supports but my display doesn't-so I'm familiar with the symptoms. I'll bet that the receiver isn't using HDCP to send its setup menu over HDMI, and that's why you can see it. It's looking like you have an HDCP issue between the 905 and box.

[sulley]

Tonight, I connected my old DV camera (non-HDCP source) to Onkyo905 with S-video and then HDMI out to the ext v2 box. You guess what happened, I can see the video on my 1209s. Therefore, the problem is definitely related to the HDCP issue . How can I solve it?

[Rolls-Royce]

Well, you could try unplugging (not just turning off) the 905 for about 30 minutes or so. That's been known to sometimes correct things on these units that suddenly get a little wacky, like HDMI issues. There's also a full hard reset that can be done, but this will wipe ALL settings, custom labels, etc. and return the receiver to just-out-of-the-box settings. This would be the last resort.

[sulley]

[cinema mad]

The problem with Splitters when connected to the BD30 Blu-players HDMI output sending one to Display and the other to the
905 is that your Audio will be downgraded to standard dolby or DTS you wont get the HD codec's Due to the EDID being reported by
the Moome... Onkyo 905 asks Display device what do you support Moome V2 external reports standard Dolby/DTS..

Without using A PC There are 2 ways around this,

1, use A Gefen HDMI Detective plus with EDID programing, to trick the Onkyo due to the Moome HDMI Detective combo now reporting HD audio complient thus it will allow HD Codecs..
http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=8005

2, (The Best way) Moome updates the EDID in the Moome V2 thus report's that it supports HD codecs..

Also Pass through in Devices such as Sound processors does'nt mean untouched as is clearly Evident with Onkyo
its always better to go straight to the Display Device avoiding any Video pass through where possible using A, IE: HDMI 1.3b 1x2 splitter for example ...

Cheers...