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stefuel



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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: OK techsticles answer me this.

First, don't ask what I'm building. If I told you, I'd have to kill you Laughing
This is a general question of the description of operation of a multi-turn (or any) potentiometer. It's not that I don't understand the operation of what it does and how but rather how it's described in design. The wiper is a given. but for design purposes, which connection is considered + and -? Is there a standard for this or is it something decided by a flip of a coin during design? Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject:

Is it audio or linear? Audio pots have more resistance on one side than the other, and linear pots are the same on both sides.

Potentiometer tapers: http://sound.westhost.com/pots.htm#taper
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:08 am    Post subject:

It also depends on how you're using the pot. (not the smoking kind!)

If it's a volume control, then looking at the front of the control with the leads facing down, the leftmost one is usually grounded, as that's when the volume is at 0, and the low level signal is shorted to ground. THe signal is usually fed into the rightmost one, and the center lead is the hot signal going to the power amp section. BUt... pots like the E'home filament voltage pot have no ground per se, you're only changing the resistance value in a circuit to vary the voltage going to the tubes. That pot in that application has no ground at all.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:05 am    Post subject:

So there isn't really a + or - side. It's just a resistor.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:20 am    Post subject:

And then there are these.. Digital Potentiometers:

http://www.analog.com/en/digital-to-analog-converters/digital-potentiometers/products/index.html

I never knew these existed until today.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:57 am    Post subject:

jkruger wrote:
So there isn't really a + or - side. It's just a resistor.



Correct. Although I'm sure you can find SOME audiofool company that wants to sell you a pot for $150 with signal flow arrows on it. Very Happy
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:09 am    Post subject:

What? OH. Ya mean I shouldn't have bought those electrolytic potentiometers? I was hoping I could use them instead of variable differential capacitors. Wink
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject:

These potentiometers are gear driven and provide positional feedback for large servo gear motors. The reason I'm asking is that I'm unsure of the results if they are wired wrong. I'd like to get it right the first time as the replacement servo motor pack is over $4K. My fear is that if the pot is telling the motor to turn clockwise to correct for position but it's really has to turn counter clockwise, it will lock up fighting it's self. I've got a 50/50 chance. Wanna bet I get it wrong the first time? Laughing
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject:

Eventually you can make all pots multi-turn Smile
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:16 pm    Post subject:

Pots aren't labeled with +/- they are labeled with CW/CCW/wiper
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:14 pm    Post subject:

Is the controller smart enough to see the change in resistance going the wrong way in relationship to the output power?
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:09 pm    Post subject:

WTS wrote:
Pots aren't labeled with +/- they are labeled with CW/CCW/wiper


Just to throw a bit more confusion into the mix the motor outputs are listed on the controller as "+ -". They are 24VDC bi-directional motors. The three feedback connections are listed as V, S and G. The S is shown as being the wiper. I can tell if the motors are wired correctly in manual mode. If it turns CW when it should turn CCW I can just flip the power connections around. In automatic mode the controller through the use of potentiometers allows you to save and recall pre-set positions. I guess I'll have to go the 50/50 route. IF it wiggs out, I'll pull the power off and swap the V and G connections and hope for the best Laughing

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:41 am    Post subject:

I ain't asking but from that description that sounds like the dream controller for my as yet to be built variable masking system... Wink
I would guess v=Voltage
g=Ground
s=sweeper
but I do not have to fix it if the magic smoke flies away, so good luck.
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