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WanMan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: Remakes that were as good/bad as their originals, or remakes |
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So, I was sitting there thinking about how someone said he hated remakes. It was a statement of absolute, for him a considered thought of importance, but for me an astounding narrow-minded dum-dum who simply wasn't willing to consider a more modern interpretation. Consideration is where it's at, but not necessarily something for agreement.
Anyway, I was thinking about moves, originals, remakes, and tertiary remakes in which certain cases the original and the remake(s) were as good (or bad) as one another. Not talking se/pre-quels, here, but the same movie made again and the pair (or group) compared to be equals in personal opinion.
Anyone think of any?
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
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Gone in 60 seconds. The original was good the remake just didn't have it.
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garyfritz
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Probably at least 80% of movies are mediocre at best. Only 5% or less are really exceptional. Studios only do remakes of exceptional movies, hoping lightning will strike twice in the same place. What are the chances that the remake will be in the top 5% or less? Slim. They have the advantage of a proven-good story, assuming they don't screw it up by "improving" it. But the director, actors, etc are all different. Chances are they're going to end up in the 80% "mediocre or worse" pile.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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ARe you talking just movies, or songs also. I'm much more into music than movies, and can give you a bunch of 'wow, cool remake', or 'why did they bother' examples.
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WanMan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Gone in 60 seconds. The original was good the remake just didn't have it. | AR, you missed the point. I'm saying what movies had at least one remake in which the original and remake(s) were as good, or as bad, as the original.
This means either the original movie was bad and so wasn't the remake(s), or the they were all good--thus questioning the need for a remake.
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WanMan
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | ARe you talking just movies, or songs also. I'm much more into music than movies, and can give you a bunch of 'wow, cool remake', or 'why did they bother' examples. | Let's broaden the discussion to music as well, but only songs where the complete original was used and not just sampled, or diluted with equal portion of another song.
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garyfritz
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| WanMan wrote: | | Let's broaden the discussion to music as well, but only songs where the complete original was used and not just sampled, or diluted with equal portion of another song. |
Oh, so Kid Rock's "All Summer Long" doesn't count??
(Shamelessly rips off the "Werewolves of London" piano riff, and references/lifts from "Sweet Home Alabama")
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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OK, here goes then:
Smooth Criminal- I don't like either the original MJ version or the one done by Alien Ant Farm.
It's my Life- Talk Talk did the original, No Doubt copied it. My ex g/f didn't know it wasn't a ND original. It was a good remake, I'll listen to either one.
Careless Whisper- Loved the original, took a few listens to the remake by Seether before I liked it.
Faith- again, loved the original, it took a few listens before I liked the cover
Still haven't found what I'm looking for- There's an R/B group called the Chimes that completely smoked the U2 original version. Love the Chimes one, the U2 not so much.
Shook me all night long- Celine Dion covered it- my comment: STFU!
Knocking on Heaven's Door- the GnR cover was as bad as the orignal.
Madonna's American Pie- some things you just don't mess with. This was one of them.
Any Sex Pistols cover- the SPs did it better, I don't care who you are.
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winduptoy
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David Lindley's 'El Rayo-X' is one of my favorite albums; Kick ass covers of 'Mercury Blues' & 'Twist and Shout'.
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jask
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| winduptoy wrote: | | David Lindley's 'El Rayo-X' is one of my favorite albums; Kick ass covers of 'Mercury Blues' & 'Twist and Shout'. |
great album
Van morrisons version of " with a little help from my friends " is way better than the original
Streetheart did a fantastic cover of the Stones "under my thumb" I like it better, others don't.
VH didn't improve on "you really got me" by the Kinks
and the Doors didn't come close to Van Morrisons "Gloria"
but one that I always have a hard time with is Marvin Gayes "heard it through the grapevine" CCR did a great cover but was it better?..worse? the Slits did a fantastic punk cover of this as well
If you ever have a chance to find a copy of an album called "we do em our way" grab it!! it has a compilation of punk bands covering 60s/70's classics.
you have not lived till you hear the Dickies cover "Knights in white satin"
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http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/V/Various/we_do.html
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VH didn't improve on "you really got me" by the Kinks
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HERETIC!!!!!!!
Burn him at the Stake!!!
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WanMan
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | jask wrote: |
VH didn't improve on "you really got me" by the Kinks
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HERETIC!!!!!!!Burn him at the Stake!!!  | I don't think Canadians are flammable.
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garyfritz
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Yeah, I like VH's version even if it's "different" than the Kinks'...
How about Joe Cocker? Damn near every song he does is a kick-ass cover of somebody else. "With a little help from my friends" (Beatles), "You can leave your hat on" (Randy Newman), "Unchain my heart" (Ray Charles, Nancy Wilson, others), "The Letter" (Box Tops?), "You are so beautiful" (Billy Preston?), etc.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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I have to admit, as our kids do now with remakes, I don't think I knew in Grade 8 that 'You really got me' wasn't a VH original.
I had a 23 year old g/f for a while, when I was 40. I had to play a bunch of originals to prove that songs like No Doubt's 'It's my Life' was not a ND original.
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
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Smokin' in the Boys room-Brownsville Station
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Motley Crews version. Both are good.
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Agreed! I've got the Brownsville Station original LP--- demo release to boot.
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Stevie Ray Vaughn - Voo Doo Child Awsum cover
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dturco
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | Stevie Ray Vaughn - Voo Doo Child Awsum cover  |
Yep It was.
here is another remake Voo Doo Child
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ACprQXFwI
O.k. the videeo is not so great, but on a good stereo that bass, and her voice, are wild.
It sounds a whole lot better on my main system it really rocks out
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
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| dturco wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | Stevie Ray Vaughn - Voo Doo Child Awsum cover  |
Yep It was.
here is another remake Voo Doo Child
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ACprQXFwI
It sounds a whole lot better on my main system it really rocks out  |
Meh, SRV was better
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dturco
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | dturco wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | Stevie Ray Vaughn - Voo Doo Child Awsum cover  |
Yep It was.
here is another remake Voo Doo Child
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ACprQXFwI
It sounds a whole lot better on my main system it really rocks out  |
Meh, SRV was better  |
Possibly, but its definitely a different take, so I dig it.
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