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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject: Lazy Parents, Stop Blaming the MPAA! |
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I liked this article. It illustrates one of my biggest complaints about selfish people (ahem, those wanting, not needing, children and expecting someone else to raise them and pay for them):
I am not an apologist for the MPAA. As Cinematical's Eric D. Snider astutely observed recently, the Classification and Rating Administration of the Motion Picture Association of America continues to 'arbitrarily enforce and haphazardly apply' their own ratings, generally favoring big-budget studio pictures while lowering the boom on lower-budgeted independent films. With a track record of more than 40 years, though, does any parent today believe that the MPAA is solely responsible for telling them what is suitable for their children to watch?
Evidently Deborah Knight Snyder does. The mother of two children wrote an article for the GateHouse News Service in which she wondered about the movie rating system, which she described as an "imprecise, almost backward process." No argument there, but then she described Alex Proyas' Knowing as a movie that "scared the hell" out of her and questioned: "What parent in their right mind would let a 13-year-old see such a movie?" She continues: "Thank goodness our 13-year-old was otherwise occupied and chose not to join us for the film," and then relates an experience suffered by her older son when he saw The Ring just before he turned 13 several years ago. He later told her: "That movie was terrifying for a 12-year-old!"
Snyder doesn't address her own accountability in these two incidents, of course. One son "chose not to join us" and the other went with a friend's mother: "I confess I didn't think much about his going to see it." From this, we can surmise that an adult who has been watching movies for several decades and has two children -- one of whom is now in college -- had, until this very week, abdicated responsibility for deciding what her children could watch, ceding that role entirely to the MPAA.
Continue reading this article on Cinematical.
While I am sure many parents need a helping hand, they never helped themselves in preparing to have a child before they were knocked-up with the responsibility of raising said child[ren]. Haven observed my parents in their poor role of parenting, followed by my nine older siblings and their poor examples, I chose to save society by not rolling the wheel of destiny and plaguing America with MOIs myself. You are welcome.
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Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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No MiniWanMan's in your future huh?
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | No MiniWanMan's in your future huh? |
No, and he reminds us nearly monthly of that fact, the moral superiority of his position, and he irresponsibility of all parents... and it's getting really old. He's a f*cking broken record.
Listening to WanMan, you'd think it's only parents who are stupid. The reality is that stupid doesn't discriminate. There is stupidity in every race, religion, ethnicity, and there remarkably stupid people both with and without children.
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greg_mitch
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 5320
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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I don't get what your point is...you are suggesting that every parent should watch movies before their kid watches them to see if they are okay? Its just not practical for new releases. Not really practical for DVD's (who has the time).
If the rating system is broken it needs to be fixed. Some movies are common sense...but if the thing says it is PG or above it is pretty much a subjective rating by someone other than yourself. If you want to shield your children from everything that will POTENTIALLY be scary or too risky then don't watch movies...read a book.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well, he has a good point that the mother could have at least read a synopsis of the movie... If she had, she might have known that if the movie was a scary movie, it wasn't appropriate for a 12-year old... irrespective of the rating. OTOH, you have the better point... That, if the ratings can't be relied on to determine whether a move is appropriate or not, then what good is it?
The MPAA rating is far too general. Basically, all it's good for is determining whether the words "sh*t" or "f*ck" are uttered, or whether there's a sex scene with some nudity, or perhaps some bad violence.
Back on the other hand again, The Ring looked like a damn scary movie to me when I saw the trailers, and I was right... Pretty damn scary movie, and there's no way in hell I would have let a 12-year old girl watch it without me, unless she was not easy to scare - at all.
There are definitely some really lazy parents - that woman appears to be one. But, the MPAA rating is pretty useless and could be much better.
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garyfritz
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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If you ask me, taking a 12-yr-old to something like The Ring borders on being criminally irresponsible. You didn't have to watch it ahead of time to know that -- it was clearly marketed as a horrifically terrifying movie. You don't take kids to something like that. If you think the kid has to go for some strange reason, THEN you screen it first to see if it's appropriate for a young impressionable child.
Parents have a responsibility to protect their children from inappropriate and possibly damaging experiences. That woman was IMHO not being a responsible parent.
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CRT_Ben
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 1684 Location: Northern Virginia
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The Ring creeped me the F out. I saw it over spring break because I had to stay for athletics, watched it on my friend's big screen and then had to go back to a big, EMPTY college dorm. And of course there's a TV in the room
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greg_mitch
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 5320
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | If you ask me, taking a 12-yr-old to something like The Ring borders on being criminally irresponsible. You didn't have to watch it ahead of time to know that -- it was clearly marketed as a horrifically terrifying movie. You don't take kids to something like that. If you think the kid has to go for some strange reason, THEN you screen it first to see if it's appropriate for a young impressionable child.
Parents have a responsibility to protect their children from inappropriate and possibly damaging experiences. That woman was IMHO not being a responsible parent. |
Or was the MPAA being irresponsible for rating it PG-13? This movie probably should have been rated R.
I wouldn't let my kid see it either but disregard the fact that the movie is scary (it wasnt you wussies), why should we be able to trust the governing body that rates movies. If they say a 13 year old can view it, do we need to question it?
Also...I hate it when people are always giving parenting advice to others. One parent won't let their kid watch TV at all (spoils the development) or maybe only lets them watch public tv, no cable...or maybe others only let them watch for 2 hours a day.
Who are you to say any of that is wrong? All kids/families are different. Obviously...some things are common sense and that isn't what I am talking about.
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Belcherwm
Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Posts: 112 Location: Haymarket, Northern Va.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | If you want to shield your children from everything that will POTENTIALLY be scary or too risky then don't watch movies...read a book. |
I see you don't read much.
My 12 year old inhales books. Now I not only have to monitor her movie/TV watching, but also her internet surfing and her reading. She's a good kid, but she sure steps in it every once in awhile. Being her dad is one of my favorite jobs.
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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| Belcherwm wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | If you want to shield your children from everything that will POTENTIALLY be scary or too risky then don't watch movies...read a book. |
I see you don't read much.
My 12 year old inhales books. Now I not only have to monitor her movie/TV watching, but also her internet surfing and her reading. She's a good kid, but she sure steps in it every once in awhile. Being her dad is one of my favorite jobs. |
No one ever said parenting was going to be any less time-consuming that a full-time job. Its one of the reasons why I chose not to become a parent.
But if you do a good job then maybe you can depend on them taking care of your butt until you are demented enough (i.e. lost your mind) to not notice you have been carted off to the last home you'll ever sleep in.
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | There are definitely some really lazy parents - that woman appears to be one. But, the MPAA rating is pretty useless and could be much better.
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I'm not so sure you can just call her lazy. She may not be as in to movies as us. As such, the fact that a movie has been rated by a board at a fairly precise age band (i.e. it says "OK for kids", "OK for teens", "OK for adults"). Given this precise labeling (and the fact that there is even a rating) does make the expectation that it communicates something of value about appropirateness quite reasonable.
Frankly, I like the new TV ratings where they give you the codes of what drove the rating so you know at a glance exactly what to expect and can make a reasonable choice on whether to let a child watch it or not. I think the MPAA ratings would be much more useful if done like that.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Person99 wrote: | | Frankly, I like the new TV ratings where they give you the codes of what drove the rating so you know at a glance exactly what to expect and can make a reasonable choice on whether to let a child watch it or not. I think the MPAA ratings would be much more useful if done like that. |
That was exactly my point, Dave. The MPAA ratings really aren't very useful because you DON'T know why it got a certain rating. Is there skin? Adult themes? Language? How about none of those, but just some super-scary alien sh*t? I might be perfectly fine with my boy seeing a little skin when he's a little older, but my daughter might be totally freaked out by something really frightening.
As they are, I can't rely on the MPAA rating in any way (i.e. couldn't be lazy) and would have to do independent research on every move to better appreciate the actual content to determine appropriateness. I'm fully aware of that, and I'd be lazy if I didn't look into at least a synopsis of a film to appreciate the actual nature of the content.
Given how different movies are now from 30 or even 20 years ago, the MPAA ratings really should be updated to better-reflect the actual content, rather than just a blanket age rating, which IMHO isn't very useful... Which was kind of my point.
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emdawgz1
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 7949
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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I have never seen or heard of "the Ring" But its not the sort of thing i would take my 13 yr old to see. I figured that out after about 5 minutes on the internet.....
My thing is, w/ TV, Radio, and all other media...YOU as a parent are the gatekeeper. If your child sees, or hears it, it's your responsibility... tough job??? Yup. Thats why you are the parent and i'm not!
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: |
Given how different movies are now from 30 or even 20 years ago, the MPAA ratings really should be updated to better-reflect the actual content, rather than just a blanket age rating, which IMHO isn't very useful... Which was kind of my point.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I completely agree with your point about usefulness. Was just articulating an example of a similar system that was useful.
As an aside, I take my 6 year old daughter up to the theater about 6 months ago to watch Dragonslayer recorded off FiOS HD (I looked it up and it was PG--when PG, I don't bother with reading synopsis, she can see them all).
So, we are watching it (I didn't really remember it) and it is a bit more violent and such, and I'm thinking "this may be too much". But, these things don't really scare my daughter. So, we come downstairs and my daughter happily says to my wife, "there was a man that got burned alive, and the baby dragons were eating girls legs".
My wife turns to me, "what was it rated"--I say, "it was PG--I didn't think it would have that". She then informed me that it was made prior to the introduction of PG13 and I need to consider that with old movies. Ooops.
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Brian Hampton
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1173
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
The Rating system is broken and I don't think it's going to be fixed. I just ignore it.
I have kids and I just try to use a little sense. I would not take them to see Batman,... I know it's not targeted for kids even though it's Batman.
When I saw Batman Begins in the theater someone behind me had brought tikes that were bored, scared, confused and generally frustrated with it and kept reminding their dad. When I was over they were like "Yeah! It's over!". Urg.
Still people take kids to stuff like Watchmen... It's just lazyness. My mom took me to see Jaws when I was 8 because she was simply wanting to see it and didn't even consider what I would think of it. (I love the movie now though... it's a good one.)
You can have real hardcore violence and as long as no one sees a bare breast or no one says a four letter word then it's family friendly,... So I know I can't rely on other people's notion of what's right for my kids I have to try to figure it out for myself.
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Brian Hampton wrote: | You can have real hardcore violence and as long as no one sees a bare breast or no one says a four letter word then it's family friendly,... So I know I can't rely on other people's notion of what's right for my kids I have to try to figure it out for myself.
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Define hard core violence. Pretty much any shootings, definately any blood, or any very scary situation is now a PG-13 (as are bare breasts).
I've actually never had a problem with "PG" since they introduced PG-13--in other words, I've never seen a PG (post PG-13 intro) movie that I have a problem showing my 6 year old. So, from that angle, it is not broken IMO. It is the PG-13 that is the one that I have problems with because they have odd guidelines.
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WanMan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Its simple, in my book. If you are a parent and are actually parenting then you will make time to find out the negative aspects of a movie before letting the little one(s) see it with you. If you do not have that time then either stop with the intentions on letting the little one see it or let someone else parent your child through adoption.
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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It really easy for people that aren't parents to talk about how easy it is to be a parent.
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tri_joel
Joined: 03 Jul 2007 Posts: 646 Location: Northern Virginia
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'm much better at raising other people's children than my own. It's easy to see what others are doing wrong.
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Person99
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: | | Its simple, in my book. If you are a parent and are actually parenting then you will make time to find out the negative aspects of a movie before letting the little one(s) see it with you. |
The simple fact (and what has been discussed in this thread if read it) is that there is no comprehensive way to do that. You would literally have to watch every movie in its entirety before showing it to them. If you are doing that, you are not spending time with your child, so a bad parent. So, the only fool proof way to do what you advocate is that parents of small children should not allow their child to see any movie.
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