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Elaine Benes



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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:54 am    Post subject:

Mr. Green wrote:
What do you have agains't the ECP's?

Its personal, I've owned three, all lemons, one problem after another after another, I never got more than a few weeks use without something else breaking...pretty much the only projector I refused to buy, and still do. I wouldn't buy one NIB...

They don't have hour meters, and many of them end up with a LOT of hours on them by the time they end up in the used market, but won't necessarily LOOK like they've got a ton of hours on them, but they'll break down like they do...
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:58 am    Post subject:

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mikeb23ft



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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject:

Elaine Benes wrote:

In a few years, you'll likely go digital, so why bother spending money now on a device(HD Fury II or Moome) that you ONLY need for an analog crt projector ??


In a few years I'll probably buy a G90 when they drop under a grand.

There's a D50 on eBay that's on my way home from PA, I might make an offer on it.

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AnalogRocks
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject:

D50's ok but they really like to toast their blue tubes. Also check and make sure the contrast and/or brightness controlls work. If not Curt has a replacement board for you.

That being said the one I gave my G/F has 6500 hours on it, a toasty blue and still throws a decent picture. I'll agree with Elaine on this one. Even if a projector has heavy wear, some people just aren't sensitive to it.

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perisoft



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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject:

mikeb23ft wrote:
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Oh nononononononononno! Stay away from the BD400. That's almost as weak as it gets. You have to twiddle knobs to converge the thing - STAY AWAY unless it's free, and even then it might not be worth it!


That bad, really? I can twiddle the hell out of some knobs. I know it won't have seriously good brightness or anything but at 100 bucks I'm not looking for G90 stack image quality. Just something to get started with. ES focus, whatever. Barely pushes 720p, who cares. It's supposedly got good tubes, at least. I'll probably at least make an offer on it after I check it out, but we'll see.


Yes, THAT BAD. As in, will barely push 480p, not 720p. As in, you might as well get a crayon and draw the movie on the wall yourself. As in, set it on fire, put it in a pentagram, and call forth the demons of hell to exorcise its stench from your home. THAT BAD! Thumbs Down

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jkruger



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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject:

I spent many dollars on crummy projectors before getting a sony 1272. That was a very good set to get started with. I'm no expert by any means but don't toss good money after something that you will not be happy with.
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AnalogRocks
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject:

perisoft wrote:
mikeb23ft wrote:
perisoft wrote:
Oh nononononononononno! Stay away from the BD400. That's almost as weak as it gets. You have to twiddle knobs to converge the thing - STAY AWAY unless it's free, and even then it might not be worth it!


That bad, really? I can twiddle the hell out of some knobs. I know it won't have seriously good brightness or anything but at 100 bucks I'm not looking for G90 stack image quality. Just something to get started with. ES focus, whatever. Barely pushes 720p, who cares. It's supposedly got good tubes, at least. I'll probably at least make an offer on it after I check it out, but we'll see.


Yes, THAT BAD. As in, will barely push 480p, not 720p. As in, you might as well get a crayon and draw the movie on the wall yourself. As in, set it on fire, put it in a pentagram, and call forth the demons of hell to exorcise its stench from your home. THAT BAD! Thumbs Down


Hey, it's good for composite video, what more could you possibly want?Laughing

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ronholm



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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject:

As a Novice to this I would also suggest staying away from machines with knobs you have to twiddle with... It just isn't worth it... I started with a Sony VPH 1000... Brand new in the box...

I paid 200 bucks for a Barco 800... and The difference in the Machines was noticeable to say the least...


Then when the focus block went south I picked up a 808 from Curt... I am definitely happy with that purchase... If I was in your shoes I and couldn't come up with at the least a 12XX or barco 800 or better I would sit on my money until a suitable machine came along..


hell... While the Sony was still up in the HT I had less than 1000 in the entire totally enjoyable HT (helps when you have friends in the Pawn biz) But if I were starting over... I sure spent a lot of time money and effort to bring it to where it is now.... With more to go.. Patience would have saved me a ton of time and a little money with resources around like these guys...


EDIt... Never mind.. disregard this post... I am in the wrong forum.... Wink Razz Very Happy

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AnalogRocks
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject:

ronholm wrote:


EDIt... Never mind.. disregard this post... I am in the wrong forum.... Wink Razz Very Happy


I thought I was in the off topic forum for a second. You had me confused.

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draganm



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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject:

looks like a pretty minty and cheap BG808S in Midlothian, Virginia. Probably worth the 10 hour round trip unless your driving a pig like an SUV.
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Mr. Green



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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject:

Did you get that D50?
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Elaine Benes



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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject:

I've had a couple of D50's, they can look really good. I had one with chocolate brown colored squares in the middles of ALL THREE TUBES, and it STILL looked good on everything but bright sunny outside scenes(then it looked a bit dingy...).
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mikeb23ft



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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject:

So, some updates. First of all, the projector I found locally is actually a Barco <i>Graphics</i> 400. It will supposedly scan to 72Khz. I think I may go at least look at it and see what the deal is.

The people on eBay with the D50 haven't answered my questions yet. Hm. Also, I don't know if I can afford to spend 500 on the projector and still have enough left in my budget to make sure I can get an HDMI card WITH Gamma control. Gamma control is important to me because I want to make sure I can set the projector up as close to perfectly as possible with regards to greyscale, colour calibration, gamma levels, convergence, etc etc. I have an Eyeone LT and a ton of patience. Smile

Where's this minty and cheap Barco 808s in Midlothian, Virginia? I don't see it on eBay or the Richmond Craigslist, but it sounds interesting. I'll PM you!

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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Be patient and don't just jump on the first projector you see. a BG 400 isn't even on the best/worst list. That speaks volumes to me. The Barco 500/600 are right at the bottom and based on the spec's aren't great. I'd hang on to that $100 for now. It would be a shame for you to get a lemon of a machine and decide CRT is a pain. Looks like the BG400 is pushing 20 years old. That's a bit excessive.

To quote Curts Barco older/analog page "keep in mind that these are OLDER projectors. Even if the projector has been sitting unused in storage for the last 10 years and was only used on Sundays to project words to hymns for little old ladies, the components are now over 15 years old, and like a car from 1985 that may only have 20K miles on it, it can have failures simply due to the age of the parts."

If you are remotely considering $500, talk to Curt. He may not be able to do a D50 shipped, but a sony 12XX maybe.

At the end of the day, the choice is yours. We can only advise. I'd personally prefer you paid more for a better set versus wasting you time trying to get a cheap one running doing board level repairs, which will add up fast.

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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject:

Found that Barco 808s on eBay. Emailing the guy now.
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject:

That would be a great first projector. Good luck with it. Keep us informed!
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mikeb23ft



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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject:

I went ahead and placed a big on the Barco 808s so that the buy it now would go away and nobody would snag it out from under me. If I can get it for 500, that's great, if I have to bid more, so be it. Getting it for 500 would allow me to get the HD Fury II and Gamma X (or other options for achieving the same things? Anything else out there for less?) and put me exactly at 800 dollars. Adding a quality homemade 8 ft 16:9 screen should put me about where I want to be at 1080i and 720p, maybe even 1080p. Considering the mods and condition of the projector, that's a heck of a setup for 800 bucks and some change, I think.
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject:

mikeb23ft wrote:
I went ahead and placed a big on the Barco 808s so that the buy it now would go away and nobody would snag it out from under me. If I can get it for 500, that's great, if I have to bid more, so be it. Getting it for 500 would allow me to get the HD Fury II and Gamma X (or other options for achieving the same things? Anything else out there for less?) and put me exactly at 800 dollars. Adding a quality homemade 8 ft 16:9 screen should put me about where I want to be at 1080i and 720p, maybe even 1080p. Considering the mods and condition of the projector, that's a heck of a setup for 800 bucks and some change, I think.


I've got a BG808s and it'll do 1080p48 just fine; 1080p72 is too much for it. The lenses are the weak point, though - I find I can't resolve 1920x1080; the max for the PT65s I'm using seems to be around 1600x900 or so - and I don't think HD8s are any better; they might be worse.

That said, the 808s is an awesome PJ. Easy as hell to set up, none of the ludicrous "use too much convergence and you get a line somewhere" and that crap.

The 808s is quiet, good-looking, and bright - just like me! Thumbs Up

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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject:

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I've got a BG808s and it'll do 1080p48 just fine; 1080p72 is too much for it. The lenses are the weak point, though - I find I can't resolve 1920x1080; the max for the PT65s I'm using seems to be around 1600x900 or so - and I don't think HD8s are any better; they might be worse.



So is there any way I can upgrade the lenses after I get it? It seems strange to me that the lenses are the limiting factor. I need to do some more reading to figure out what exactly I'm getting into here. Is 1080p48 a 48 fps refresh rate, or what? I've heard of 1080p30 vs 1080p60, but not 48.

Also how does one go about changing the output resolution, or does it just depend on the device? Will probably be primarily using a Xbox 360.

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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:17 am    Post subject:

mikeb23ft wrote:
perisoft wrote:

I've got a BG808s and it'll do 1080p48 just fine; 1080p72 is too much for it. The lenses are the weak point, though - I find I can't resolve 1920x1080; the max for the PT65s I'm using seems to be around 1600x900 or so - and I don't think HD8s are any better; they might be worse.



So is there any way I can upgrade the lenses after I get it? It seems strange to me that the lenses are the limiting factor. I need to do some more reading to figure out what exactly I'm getting into here. Is 1080p48 a 48 fps refresh rate, or what? I've heard of 1080p30 vs 1080p60, but not 48.

Also how does one go about changing the output resolution, or does it just depend on the device? Will probably be primarily using a Xbox 360.


You can't get 1080p48 with the Xbox> I asked the same thing about 1080p72 here.

https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=16230.html

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