| Which Marquee tweak /mod to do first |
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15% |
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10% |
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dturco
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Brave is a kind statement. But honestly I feel completely comfortable doing the removal of the tube assembly to do the C-Element. I am a little leary about the removal of the old Element, but once I get past that it should be clear sailing. I have yet to get the EyeOne running right but I haven't tried all that hard. If I've read this right you don't even need the bellow unless something goes wrong.....
http://www.curtpalme.com/Changing_C_Elements1.shtm
Just being prepared for that Murphy guy and his law.
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schmoe
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Curt was going to install the c-element for me, and we agreed that if it looked like the bellows would give him trouble that he would stop before it was too late. Sure enough, the bellows were a little too attached and Curt didn't want to accidentally tear it, so he didn't go through with it. YMMV, but I would guess you shouldn't count on not needing the new bellows.
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dturco
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Schome you got me here. YMMV?
I waited for the bellows just for this reason I may not need it but......My luck is just not that good.
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PaulB
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | Schome you got me here. YMMV?
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YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary
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dturco
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| PaulB wrote: | | dturco wrote: | Schome you got me here. YMMV?
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YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary |
Gotcha. I missed a car talk one? Oh no.
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schmoe
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, you were saying that you wouldn't need a bellow unless something goes wrong - I was trying to politely say that you shouldn't count on it. 
Btw, when ever I don't recognize an acronym that's been thrown at me, urbandictionary.com always has the answer. They are user-submitted definitions (kinda like wikipedia) and sometimes the definitions are hilarious. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ymmv
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draganm
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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re-using an old Marquee bellow is just about number 1 on list of stupid things you can do to your projector.
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dturco
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | re-using an old Marquee bellow is just about number 1 on list of stupid things you can do to your projector. |
I thought you don't even touch the bellow unless it rips, then of course you would replace it. Which I think I will any way but...
Thats not the case?
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draganm
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they don't always leak outright, sometimes the ysimply sweat glycol into the chassis drop by drop. The Silicone formula itself is bad, not a good choice for the Glycol in the first place and the boot is over 10 years old. I wouldn't want a 10 year old piece of silicone holding back all the glycol in my machine. It deson't make sense either, if the chamber is already all apart then just finish the job. IT's easy too, you can ingore all the stuff about removing the actual tube from the assembly.
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=16267.html
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dturco
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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The Red C-Element is in the housing. It was very easy to do. I am waiting for the mail for the Glycol to be put back in. I highly recommend this if you can get the Red C-Element. Just follow Nashou's and Dragan's element replacement it is really easy. Also Tim at E-TECH's site has a great write up on how to remove the tube assembly.
Now that the bellows are available again because of Nashou, Go for it. I don't know how anybody could have done this with out tearing that bellow. Really, honestly how could anyone pull that off?
If you can do a valve cover on a car you can do this. Just remember to scrape the gasket surface really, really clean AWAY from the tube and your in business.
I'll let you know if I have any leaks. I didn't use any RTV sealant as it has been said it's not needed for this application.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | The Red C-Element is in the housing. It was very easy to do. I am waiting for the mail for the Glycol to be put back in. I highly recommend this if you can get the Red C-Element. Just follow Nashou's and Dragan's element replacement it is really easy. Also Tim at E-TECH's site has a great write up on how to remove the tube assembly.
Now that the bellows are available again because of Nashou, Go for it. I don't know how anybody could have done this with out tearing that bellow. Really, honestly how could anyone pull that off?
If you can do a valve cover on a car you can do this. Just remember to scrape the gasket surface really, really clean AWAY from the tube and your in business.
I'll let you know if I have any leaks. I didn't use any RTV sealant as it has been said it's not needed for this application. |
Before putting the tube back in leave it out since you did not use RTV, I am not 100% sure about it but to be safe leave it out for a few days with some weight on the bellows to squeeze them as if there was pressure added from the heat they will have once installed. this will possibly approximate that pressure and you'll be able to see if they squirt out from the gasket on the tube face and the c-element mount section. If it does leak then we know you need RTV. Dragan used it and Now I am second guessing my previous statements on it might not be needed.
Sorry if this makes more work for you.
Athanasios
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dturco
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | dturco wrote: | The Red C-Element is in the housing. It was very easy to do. I am waiting for the mail for the Glycol to be put back in. I highly recommend this if you can get the Red C-Element. Just follow Nashou's and Dragan's element replacement it is really easy. Also Tim at E-TECH's site has a great write up on how to remove the tube assembly.
Now that the bellows are available again because of Nashou, Go for it. I don't know how anybody could have done this with out tearing that bellow. Really, honestly how could anyone pull that off?
If you can do a valve cover on a car you can do this. Just remember to scrape the gasket surface really, really clean AWAY from the tube and your in business.
I'll let you know if I have any leaks. I didn't use any RTV sealant as it has been said it's not needed for this application. |
Before putting the tube back in leave it out since you did not use RTV, I am not 100% sure about it but to be safe leave it out for a few days with some weight on the bellows to squeeze them as if there was pressure added from the heat they will have once installed. this will possibly approximate that pressure and you'll be able to see if they squirt out from the gasket on the tube face and the c-element mount section. If it does leak then we know you need RTV. Dragan used it and Now I am second guessing my previous statements on it might not be needed.
Sorry if this makes more work for you.
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Yeah, I did not intend to put it right back in. The set it on end to aproximate the pressure I would not have done. So thank you for that. We sure wouldn't want it to be me who has the problem. Who would get the most ribbing for that?
I'l let you know about any potential leaks. It sure went together nice though, and the original Bellow did not have any RTV on it so..... we'll see.
Oh and I have to pull that set screw thing do you know what size that is? I will have to go to the hardware store to get it. I don't have anything that small around the house.
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draganm
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | | The Red C-Element is in the housing. It was very easy to do. . |
suh-weet 
| dturco wrote: | | I don't know how anybody could have done this with out tearing that bellow. Really, honestly how could anyone pull that off? |
told ya so 
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schmoe
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So once this is done and the tube is put back into the machine, does that mean you have to do a full setup of the projector again, including magnetics and focus coil adjustments?
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dturco
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Schome, I don't think so. I believe I will have to reset the red tube alignment and reconverge but thats it.
Of course I could be wrong. That has been known to happen from time to time.
And oh yeah, lense flapping for sure because the plate is definitely not in the same place anymore.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| schmoe wrote: | | So once this is done and the tube is put back into the machine, does that mean you have to do a full setup of the projector again, including magnetics and focus coil adjustments? |
You will have to redo the set up, but not the magnetics unless you moved them while taking out the tube.
you could try to mark the location of all screws or count how many turns you need to remove the schiemphlug screws
and put each one back in the same amount.
Athanasios
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stefuel
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | re-using an old Marquee bellow is just about number 1 on list of stupid things you can do to your projector. |
Absolutly not. He already surpassed that by trying to stack the red c-element on top of the clear
But really, you guy's are taking this bellows thing to seriously. If the old c-element comes right out and there was no signs of prior leakage and you have control over the liquid pressure when it's assembled, it won't leak. Without pressure differential, it will not leak. It's just like putting a straw in a tall glass of water, putting your finger on the straws end and lifting it out of the glass. The water stays in the straw even with a big hole at the bottom. It's not until you introduce pressure on the top of the liquid by lifting your finger off the straw that the water escapes. This ain't rocket science but you guys want to put a Marquee on the Moon.
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