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I wonder what they removed compared to the overseas version that has been out for some time.
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I didn't say they did. I speculated what they might have removed. Americans always get screwed on DVD/BD content. Its those fascist religious types. Remember what they did to Eyes Wide sh*t DVD?
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| WanMan wrote: | | I didn't say they did. I speculated what they might have removed. Americans always get screwed on DVD/BD content. Its those fascist religious types. Remember what they did to Eyes Wide sh*t DVD? |
No what did they do to EWS?
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| WanMan wrote: | | Americans always get screwed on DVD/BD content. Its those fascist religious types. Remember what they did to Eyes Wide sh*t DVD? |
Come ON, Wan! There are is no more National Legion of Decency or Hays Code in Hollywood! That stuff all went out the door in the 60's. How else would all the crazy sh*t that's been made in the last 40+ years ever have gotten made?!!? In case you haven't noticed, Hollywood's been driving the morality zealots ape sh*t since before we were born!
Seriously, more often than not the content on BD/DVDs is more risque than the theatrical release. For instance, I just watched Kingdom of Heaven last weekend. The theatrical cut was just over two hours and Rated-R, while the director's cut on the Blu-ray was unrated and damn near THREE HOURS long! Excellent Ridley Scott film, BTW.
In the case of the original DVD release of EWS, who knows why or who made the call to zoom/crop the "naked Nicole Kidman" shot. The theatrical release was an NC-17 release, though and I'd guess it was a simple matter of sales that drove the edit.
These days, the editing (watering down) of violent, risque, or otherwise questionable content has nothing to do with any sort of agenda - religious or otherwise - and everything to do with business. Studios and rental businesses want their films and DVDs available to the widest audiences for maximum return. Simply put, an "NC-17" rating on a home video release means the film will available for purchase or rental by fewer people. Because of the controversy though, I think the released the theatrical version on video later.
Don't create conspiracy where there's a perfectly plausible (or even likely) explanation for something.
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Someone on this board told me a while back that they inserted digital people into some of the mansion sex scenes because they needed to deliver better rated movie in the states. Of course, without seeing a non-Region 1 version I have no means of verifying this. Oh yeah, I have EWS on BD, but I have not watched it yet.
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I have EWS on BD and didn't see anything that looked altered.
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ecrabb
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| WanMan wrote: | | Someone on this board told me a while back that they inserted digital people into some of the mansion sex scenes because they needed to deliver better rated movie in the states. |
Hmm... That makes no sense whatsoever. I don't see how inserting digital people would change the content significantly enough to change the rating - especially from say, NC-17 to R. An orgy is an orgy regardless of whether its digital or not. Weird. Where do people come up with this stuff?
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To me, it sounds like one of those forum/internet rumors with no basis in fact.
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Wow, that's crazy! The compositing and CG is really terrible! The "hooded figure" foreground composites aren't bad, but the "mannequin-like" shot in particular is just horrible - they're some cheap/bad stock 3D model girls.
I'm going to have to see if I can find a copy of EWS on DVD for a couple of bucks now just to look at those scenes to see the terrible work. I wonder how's dumbass idea it was to do that to Kubrick's film and why Kubrick didn't have something to say about it?!?!!?
They couldn't do that the Blu-ray version because the crappy SD release no doubt mostly concealed the junk CG composites... Effects that would stick out like a sore... er, thumb... in HD.
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| kal wrote: | I had heard/read the same thing too.
Though I still don't understand why WanMan would think they'd change this movie when typically thousands of others are not changed at all. Why this one?
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And I'm puzzled why it took months to release SC after it was released abroad.
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It can be a lot of things, Wan. Sometimes the studios consider what the releases will be up against when they're released, or what leads or follows the releases, and even what's hot in the market either on home video or in theaters. For instance, since Watchmen is hot here, and people are fired up about the genre, they're releasing Sin City now. There may have been a different film in theaters overseas that gave them a reason to release there earlier. I'm not saying that's actually the reason - I'm just saying there are a whole host of factors that go into when they plan home releases, and they're often different by many months between Europe and North America. Also, the North American release could have more extras, better audio, or other bonus content that the European release will not have - stuff that took time to create.
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The reasons SC stated above are the whole and only reason why region coding exists on DVD and Blu-ray. Markets are different, theatrical release dates are different, so studios release DVDs and Blu-rays at different times in different parts in the world at different prices to best maximize their profits.
It's all simple math to make the most money possible.
See my thread: BLU-RAY REGION CODING INFORMATION (https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=9923.html
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Blu-ray Discs may be encoded with a region code, intended to restrict the area of the world in which they can be played, similar in principle to the DVD region codes, although the used geographical regions differ. Blu-ray Disc players sold in a certain region may only play discs encoded for that region. The purpose of this system is to allow motion picture studios to control the various aspects of a release (including content, date, and, in particular, price) according to the region. Discs may also be produced without region coding, so they can be played on all devices. |
This is nothing new. It's been going on for years. There is no conspiracy here.
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Oh yeah, the buying public is much more open to buying in a post-holiday in-recession period than the days leading up to the holidays. Simple math for stupid studio mathematicians.
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