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Gary M.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: Interesting info for those with Runco 1100/1101 units |
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I discovered tonight that the Runco units(in my case a 1101) ship stock with convergence on green modules installed and ready to go, dummy me didn't see it in the Runco manuals
maybe this was common knowledge but it wasn't to me 
anyways, enjoy!!
-Gary
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting info for those with Runco 1100/1101 units |
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| Gary M. wrote: | I discovered tonight that the Runco units(in my case a 1101) ship stock with convergence on green modules installed and ready to go, dummy me didn't see it in the Runco manuals
maybe this was common knowledge but it wasn't to me
anyways, enjoy!!
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Yep the two 1100s I have here both have them. I noticed as soon as I removed the convergence tray. It looks like a slightly newer version too FWIW. At least it is different than the one in my 1997 Barco 808. That one came from Curt a few years ago. I personally think COG is mandatory if you are using an HTPC. Any geometric distortion of the desktop drives me nuts.
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Nashou66
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WTS
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have convergence on green in my cine8 and I have no problems converging.
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| WTS wrote: | | I don't have convergence on green in my cine8 and I have no problems converging. |
Converging with no COG is easy to get the other colors all lined up but what if Green is not all perfectly straight and true? what do you do then? Wouldn't all colors be converged onto a skewed green? On a Marquee you can go into green and straighten it out so each vertical and horizontal grid line is perfectly flat. I have never owned or set up any other type of PJ so I am ignorant on this. Id like to know though for m own knowledge.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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The only area where rgb doesn't line up perfectly is on the extreme left on my cine8.
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I use COG to get my geometry perfect. Not convergence per se. I could never get the geometry perfect even with the better adjustments in later S model Barcos. Now and I am pretty picky as far as geometry is concerned. If all I had were video sources, I don't think COG would be too important but using an HTPC I can instantly seem small variations in geometry and COG was the only way for me to eliminate them. You can also use it to some degree to address horizontal linearity issues in Barcos without that adjustment. Basically it is a very nice to have tool in your arsenal if you have it.
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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yep, mine had a newer version as well, couldn't find any info on it
and for the record, you cannot have a perfect image without green convergence help, 100% perfect geometry is key to a good image
-Gary
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jkruger
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How do I determine whether my 1100 has the COG?
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Tom.W
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See the 1209s service manual for details page 250 I think...
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secstate
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| jkruger wrote: | | How do I determine whether my 1100 has the COG? |
A couple of ways other than the service manual. One go to the convergence part of the menu do you have the option for green there? If so COG is installed. Alternatively pull out the convergence tray and there will be a daughter board on the convergence board closest to the front. This daughter board will make mention of jumper settings when installed in a 7 series projector (at least the COG cards I have seen do). Given that both of my 1100s have it and Gary's 1101 has it I would guess yours does too.
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Gary M.
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| secstate wrote: | | jkruger wrote: | | How do I determine whether my 1100 has the COG? |
A couple of ways other than the service manual. One go to the convergence part of the menu do you have the option for green there? If so COG is installed. Alternatively pull out the convergence tray and there will be a daughter board on the convergence board closest to the front. This daughter board will make mention of jumper settings when installed in a 7 series projector (at least the COG cards I have seen do). Given that both of my 1100s have it and Gary's 1101 has it I would guess yours does too. |
from what I have gathered from Runco documentation it was standard issue equipment on the 1100/1101 units
-Gary
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jkruger
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I checked the menu and it does have convergence on green, but it looks like it is really only geometry for green.
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secstate
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| jkruger wrote: | | I checked the menu and it does have convergence on green, but it looks like it is really only geometry for green. |
Correct unless you are doing a stack/blend it is basically a way to do very fine geometry adjustments. Dare I say it can make your geometry digital like.
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| secstate wrote: | | jkruger wrote: | | I checked the menu and it does have convergence on green, but it looks like it is really only geometry for green. |
Correct unless you are doing a stack/blend it is basically a way to do very fine geometry adjustments. Dare I say it can make your geometry digital like. |
dare I say XG like I am hoping , I could actually get my XG geometry better than a digital (yes Dave better than a RS2), with intricate control you can compensate for very minor almost humanly impossible to correct throw variances, you can only get so close in physical setup of even digitals and every one I have seen had visible geometry issues on screen, not with my XG 
-Gary
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Another interesting find. At least my Runco 1100s have horizontal linearity which is very rare on Barcos. I think only the, late, late 120x series came with it. Of course along with the later 90x and Cine9 projectors.
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