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kmascotto
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Sony Switcher and input cards |
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I have a Sony switcher that I am currently using, and one of the input cards is a IBF 12A card. I noticed on Curts site that this card can input component, so I followed the instructions and it worked wonderfully!! But here is my dilemma. The Sony switcher has 2 outputs (RGB and the big blue cable) The big blue cable works just fine…but when I switch to the RGB output on the switcher…I just get a green picture. Which tells me the RGB output on the switcher is just passing the component signal straight through and not converting it to RGB. My goal is to use this switcher with the NEC 9PG and I need the RGB output to work and convert the signal. I have also ordered the Sony IFB-FULLHD: HDMI 1.3 Input Card for the switcher…now I am worried that this card will not work as well.
Has anyone encountered this? or have any ideas
Kent
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Sony Switcher and input cards |
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| kmascotto wrote: | I have a Sony switcher that I am currently using, and one of the input cards is a IBF 12A card. I noticed on Curts site that this card can input component, so I followed the instructions and it worked wonderfully!! But here is my dilemma. The Sony switcher has 2 outputs (RGB and the big blue cable) The big blue cable works just fine…but when I switch to the RGB output on the switcher…I just get a green picture. Which tells me the RGB output on the switcher is just passing the component signal straight through and not converting it to RGB. My goal is to use this switcher with the NEC 9PG and I need the RGB output to work and convert the signal. I have also ordered the Sony IFB-FULLHD: HDMI 1.3 Input Card for the switcher…now I am worried that this card will not work as well.
Has anyone encountered this? or have any ideas
Kent |
You have the card I'm looking for Kmascotto.
I did a bunch of testing with the IFB-10, IFB-11, IFB-12 ( with HDFury1 connected ) Moome 2005 DVI card, and Moome 2007 HDMI card w/gamma all in the PC1271 switcher. I never did try component in on the IFB12 card as the two Moome cards had it. My source was HTPC and I was viewing it on a Sony G520P 21" CRT monitor.
Here's the link: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=120.html
What I did find much to my amazement. Was in digital mode the output from the two Moome cards was insufficient to drive even a 6 foot RGBHV to VGA cable from the PC1271 switcher. The component inputs on the Moome cards worked fine.
The HDFury1 didn't work on the IFB-10, IFB-11 but worked great on the IFB 12. This makes me conclude there must be a buffer (amplifier ) stage on the IFB12 card.
To make mine work with digital I had to add an Extron box ( 202 Plus ) to up the voltage of the signal coming out of the PC1271. I also tried two switchers with the same results.
The 'big blue cable' will carry component as you discovered. I didn't test that though. I do remember reading it in one of the Sony manuals.
You might be better off with an older Moome card like the IFB2007 HDMI/component card as what you are trying to do makes things difficult without another device and some cable swapping.
The other solution I can think of is a Box1040 with an HDFury1 or HDFury2. Then you could bypass the switcher all together. ( or hey sell it to me  )
Mr.Green has this set up on an NEC.
The Box1040 gives you component input and RGBHV input via a HD15 VGA port. So for HDMI you could plug the HDFury1 into the VGA port and your component source into the Box1040 directly and run a VGA to RGBHV breakout cable to your projector. OR keep the switcher ( aww nuts  ) and use the Box1040 on the output of the PC1271 to buffer the signal from the Moome card and give you component input at the Box1040 ( hey then you could sell me your IFB 12 card yaa!  )
So your final setup would go like this:
HDMI.Source-----HDMI.cable----->Moome IFB-1.3|PC1271 switcher------RGBHV.to.HD15------>|BOX1040.RGBHV.in--OUT.HD15.to.RGBHV---->NEC
Component source-------------------component.cables------------------------------------------------>|BOX1040.YPrPb.in/
This would give you your HDMIx2 in the Sony switcher and component by turning off the Sony switcher.
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CIR Engineering
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Interesting...
Well, the IFB-FULLHD outputs only RGB so I think you will be safe. But you do realize that the IFB-FULLHD does not have analog component inputs right? It has two HDMI inputs that can accept digital RGB and digital YCbCr. It converts both to analog RGB.
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AnalogRocks
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | Interesting...
Well, the IFB-FULLHD outputs only RGB so I think you will be safe. But you do realize that the IFB-FULLHD does not have analog component inputs right? It has two HDMI inputs that can accept digital RGB and digital YCbCr. It converts both to analog RGB.
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Was that directed to me Craig?
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | Interesting...
Well, the IFB-FULLHD outputs only RGB so I think you will be safe. But you do realize that the IFB-FULLHD does not have analog component inputs right? It has two HDMI inputs that can accept digital RGB and digital YCbCr. It converts both to analog RGB.
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Was that directed to me Craig? |
No, your post wasn't up before I hit "reply" so I hadn't seen anything you wrote.
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | Interesting...
Well, the IFB-FULLHD outputs only RGB so I think you will be safe. But you do realize that the IFB-FULLHD does not have analog component inputs right? It has two HDMI inputs that can accept digital RGB and digital YCbCr. It converts both to analog RGB.
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Was that directed to me Craig? |
No, your post wasn't up before I hit "reply" so I hadn't seen anything you wrote.
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Ahhh OK gotcha.
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The Moome card outputs rgbhv and has output drivers for long runs so maybe the switcher's rgbhv output can handle long runs then.
The ifb10 en ifb11 don't have this long run drive capability and the switcher only switches rgbhv outputs.
With the remote 1 output (round cable) you have an output buffer but the bandwidth is only 75MHz.
For 1080i and 720p this will do but you need a Sony crt connected to it 
I think using an ifb12 as rgbhv output also could solve the problem of the switcher not driving long runs on its own rgbhv output.
On the ifb12 you can turn a knob according to the length of the cable you want to compensate.
The problem is that you then won't have a component input but using a Moome ifb card with hdmi is a better way to go to my opinion.
There are older Moome cards with a component input and dvi/hdmi.
A (2007) Moome box is a buffering switcher by itself because it has one component and 2 hdmi inputs.
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Thanks guys!! for all your input.
If I understand you correctly it would appear that your suggesting the signal strength is the cause of my green picture. I have used the IFB12A card as an input card for some time now (set up as a regular RGBHV input). But I have never had the issue of a week signal from the RGBHV output on the switcher.
Kent
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| speedyandre wrote: | The Moome card outputs rgbhv and has output drivers for long runs so maybe the switcher's rgbhv output can handle long runs then.
The ifb10 en ifb11 don't have this long run drive capability and the switcher only switches rgbhv outputs.
With the remote 1 output (round cable) you have an output buffer but the bandwidth is only 75MHz.
For 1080i and 720p this will do but you need a Sony crt connected to it
I think using an ifb12 as rgbhv output also could solve the problem of the switcher not driving long runs on its own rgbhv output.
On the ifb12 you can turn a knob according to the length of the cable you want to compensate.
The problem is that you then won't have a component input but using a Moome ifb card with hdmi is a better way to go to my opinion.
There are older Moome cards with a component input and dvi/hdmi.
A (2007) Moome box is a buffering switcher by itself because it has one component and 2 hdmi inputs.
André |
I didn't know you sould use an IFB-12 card for an output?!
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| kmascotto wrote: | Thanks guys!! for all your input.
If I understand you correctly it would appear that your suggesting the signal strength is the cause of my green picture. I have used the IFB12A card as an input card for some time now (set up as a regular RGBHV input). But I have never had the issue of a week signal from the RGBHV output on the switcher.
Kent |
No, I think you are sending component to the RGB input. The full component luma signal is being sent along the green cable so you get just the green tube. Since blue and red are carrying just chroma components, you get nothing out of red and blue tubes.
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