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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Interesting Depressing ... Dirty Harry |
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No, this is not a title of a movie that I am aware of. No, its not about a story, either. I really like the movie Dirty Harry. Its entertaining to me on so many levels beyond the storyline and the lead actor. The time period, as it is represented, is what I would call interestingly depressing.
Its a 100% analog world without much of the ladder-days of analog benefits. Stop and thing for a minute. There is not satellite television or even cable television. No FM radio (at least not in stereo). No home computers or video gaming consoles. No Internet, and certainly no Universal Resource Locator. Probably the most impressive piece of equipment you might find in the home around 1971 would have been a fax machine--but I doubt that, too.
And there are more of those depressing things that technology brings up today and we take for granted. Things like frost-free refrigerators and home insulation, are good examples. Heck, even the VCR as a niche boutique item came later if memory serves me correctly. These are things I call depressing, but the period was just as interesting to me as it was sad.
For instance, the opening scene of the bank heist (or store robbery) shows some of the best cars of the times, and in pristine condition. It also shows the retail shops as they existed, their idea of 'marketing', and how people managed to live with what they didn't know would be coming in the next 10-25 years.
Probably the one thing most guys would be thankful for is the original toilet. Yessir, no constraint on the 1.6GPF scenario here. A man could be a man in his own home knowing his toilet would like his throne. Of course, I feel the same way about movies in older times, but 1971 is a year I lived in and existed--somehow.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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MikeEby
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 5237 Location: Osceola, Indiana
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I think it's very nicely photographed some of the wide shots of San Francisco are great. A 4:3 cropped image on TV never did it justice. I have on Laser Disk and DVD I'll probably pop for the Blu-ray soon.
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garyfritz
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting Depressing ... Dirty Harry |
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| WanMan wrote: | | No FM radio (at least not in stereo). |
?? Wasn't FM *always* in stereo? (dig dig) No, I guess it was mono at first, but wikipedia implies they added stereo in the 60's.
| Quote: | | Probably the most impressive piece of equipment you might find in the home around 1971 would have been a fax machine--but I doubt that, too. |
Definitely. I remember in junior high (roughly 1970 or so) seeing a demonstration of a newfangled technology to transmit pictures over a phone line. It didn't become widely used for a while after that -- referring again to wikipedia, it looks like the first widely-adopted fax machines were introduced in the mid-70's. I don't think they started showing up in homes until well after that, probably late 70's or early 80's.
| Quote: | | Heck, even the VCR as a niche boutique item came later if memory serves me correctly. |
Memory serves you correctly. When we video-taped school performances in the early 70's, we used VTRs, not VCRs. They were video reel-to-reel recorders. The Sony U-matic wasn't introduced until late 1971, and it was plenty pricey. wikipedia says the VHS-vs-Beta wars didn't start until the late 70's.
| Quote: | | These are things I call depressing, |
Why depressing? Because people at that time didn't know what techno-toys were coming down the pike, or didn't have everything we have now? By that logic ANY time, including now, is depressing! We don't have all the toys NOW that they'll have in another 37 years...
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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeEby wrote: | I think it's very nicely photographed some of the wide shots of San Francisco are great. A 4:3 cropped image on TV never did it justice. I have on Laser Disk and DVD I'll probably pop for the Blu-ray soon.
Mike |
Yes, the wide open shots of the city are nicely done. I wonder how much of the buildings, as shown in the helicopter scenes, are still standing. And did anyone notice how clear the air was? Even my wife commented on this (before I did). The Blu-ray is a nice transfer.
Oh, the the scene in which Harry is stalking the bad guy in the adult club ... I joked to my wife "they must be real since implants were a decade off." She just laughed.
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aspec2
Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 549
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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I had stereo radio in San Francisco in 1971. My friend had it in his car. In fact, if I remember correctly, KPEN broadcast stereo FM in the 60s. I had a frost free refrigerator then too. But you are right. The cars were the highlight of the time. Emission regulations were in it infancy. You could afford to drive a muscle car with gas at or below $0.35 a gallon.
You could still buy a house in California for less than 40K.
BTW Wan, Carol Dodda had implants in the early sixties. Damned if I can remember the club she danced in. It was at the corner of Columbus and Broadway I think. Put topless on the map in San Francisco.
You could live pretty well on 15K per year.
Walt
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WanMan
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Ok, admittedly I did not do any research on this facet of time. I simply went on childhood experiences. Heck, just the thought of no Internet, computers or gaming consoles, no cable or satellite, no CDs or DVDs (or Blu-ray disks), etc. etc. make the world as it is for this adult.
Not too sure what percentage of automobiles on the road or radios in one's possession were FM, or what percentage of women had augmented topsides, but I'm betting it was a minority.
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JustGreg
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3098 Location: Kenosha, WI
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In '70 I had one of the first quasi boom boxes. It was relatively small, had an AM/FM radio, and played 45's via a way ahead of it's time close and play design like the Sega Genesis. The beast took 8 D cell batteries! Drop the 45 on the spindle, close the plastic cover with the needle built in, and off it went. Not good at all for jogging...tho I could probably take credit for inventing rap scratching.
As far as that era being depressing?....I was too young to take notice of that facet of life. I was only 13 in '71 so it was all good. The skies were always blue, and it never rained. My life consisted of a cycle of Christmas', all no-school holidays, birthdays, and summer vacations. If I compare anything; and feel any sense of loss, it's aging. Man I could zip up a tree like a monkey. Now I stand at the base of a tall tree and look up and mutter, "Yup. It's a big one alright."
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aspec2
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| WanMan wrote: | Ok, admittedly I did not do any research on this facet of time. I simply went on childhood experiences. Heck, just the thought of no Internet, computers or gaming consoles, no cable or satellite, no CDs or DVDs (or Blu-ray disks), etc. etc. make the world as it is for this adult.
Not too sure what percentage of automobiles on the road or radios in one's possession were FM, or what percentage of women had augmented topsides, but I'm betting it was a minority. |
I understand Wan. It's just I'm old and the only memory I have is long term. I realy get off on pre ww2 films. Now those were some cars.
Walt
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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270
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| JustGreg wrote: | As far as that era being depressing?....I was too young to take notice of that facet of life. I was only 13 in '71 so it was all good. The skies were always blue, and it never rained. My life consisted of a cycle of Christmas', all no-school holidays, birthdays, and summer vacations. If I compare anything; and feel any sense of loss, it's aging. Man I could zip up a tree like a monkey. Now I stand at the base of a tall tree and look up and mutter, "Yup. It's a big one alright."  |
But that is the point I am trying to make. As a child, you and I, we hope no responsibilities. My interestingly-depressing meaning was a What-If in terms had we been adults living during that time. Of all the characters in the movie, both named-roles and unidentified folks, what would it have been like knowing what today is like.
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emdawgz1
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What always amazes me is how the attitude toward cities on the 70's was, and how it was shown on film. NY, SF, LA etc
Cities were always shown as dark dangerous places... its very weird to me. DH was the same way.
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WanMan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm, I didn't get that vibe. In fact, I looked at the green grass (drought anyone?), my ability to see far off to the mountains, etc.
The scene in which the crazy pays someone to beat him up is no different than parts of the city I grew up in. I didn't think much of it except maybe the older, commercial/industrial parts common to older cities.
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