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nuttall_chris
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: Marquee Ultra Focus Geometry board in non Ultra Marquee |
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Anyone know if a Marquee Ultra Focus/Geometry board will work properly in a non ultra Marquee projector? All the other boards in the projector are non ultra versions.
Chris.
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Nashou66
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nuttall_chris
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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That's what I thought also but I seem to have lost almost all of the geometry functions (both ultra functions and non ultra functions) as well as most of the convergence functionality. I can adjust the raster position of each colour but all other convergence functions are messed up. If I try to adjust red convergence it moves the green at most points and in the opposite direction that it is supposed to and the blue doesn't work at all....
Yes all the cables are connected to the correct places. Time to swap out some of the boards to see where the problem is.
Chris.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Now looking at the schematics for the FCM and FGM they must have the ultra motherboard, some of the signal go to different pins on P11(connector) you may also need the ultra backplane too. And an ultra DPB, they all have some signals or data that get sent on pins that the older FCM may use for something else if i am looking at it correctly.
But think just the mother board and DPB would be needed to have it work in a non ultra, but then you might as well make it an ultra.
Athanasios
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PaulB
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| nuttall_chris wrote: | If I try to adjust red convergence it moves the green at most points and in the opposite direction that it is supposed to
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Interesting, mine does more or less the same!
I can converge each color but pressing the remote direction buttons causes the grid to move in the opposite direction. As far as I am aware, all parts are non-ultra. I've not been too concerned over this as ultimately eveything works, just not the way its supposed to! It does bug me though.
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nuttall_chris
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| PaulB wrote: | | nuttall_chris wrote: | If I try to adjust red convergence it moves the green at most points and in the opposite direction that it is supposed to
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Interesting, mine does more or less the same!
I can converge each color but pressing the remote direction buttons causes the grid to move in the opposite direction. As far as I am aware, all parts are non-ultra. I've not been too concerned over this as ultimately eveything works, just not the way its supposed to! It does bug me though. |
I guess I wasn't quite clear what was happening. For example, if I try to converge red to green, I can move the whole red grid properly but if I try to adjust anything other than the center point of the red grid, it moves the green point not the red. Not only that but it moves the green in the wrong direction, if I push up it moves left, if I push left it moves down, etc. Also some points don't do anything. When trying to converge blue, the center point works fine, moving the the blue grid, but if I try any other points nothing happens.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Its the geometry section of the FGM that is doing it i bet,on the schematics the pins on the mother board are different locations for some of the signals from the FGM than on the FCM of a normal Marquee. Also maybe some signals from the DPB are different too, the ones that make there way to the FGM. I think ou need an Ultra UMB.
Athanasios
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draganm
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| nuttall_chris wrote: |
I guess I wasn't quite clear what was happening. For example, if I try to converge red to green, I can move the whole red grid properly |
that's simple, according to tim Martin static raster positioning is delivered through the HDM, not the convergence circuit.
| nuttall_chris wrote: | but if I try to adjust anything other than the center point of the red grid, it moves the green point not the red. Not only that but it moves the green in the wrong direction, if I push up it moves left, if I push left it moves down, etc. Also some points don't do anything. When trying to converge blue, the center point works fine, moving the the blue grid, but if I try any other points nothing happens.
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it sure sounds like you have the the green C connector on the wrong channel and upside down. there are little cut-outs on the Convergence Molex connector make sure they are pointing away from the alignment fingers on the board.
What happens when you go into the Green convergence service menu, does it move RED?
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Nashou66
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I was just thinking about this, I wonder if its the software chips? They may be needed to tell the other controlling chips what do do since some points on the FGM are in spots that the normal FCM uses.
Dragnm if you look at the FGM schematics you'll see that there is a G-V signal being generated on the geometry side of it, this is on one of the pins that the regular FCM occupies, unless I am reading it wrong.
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nuttall_chris
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Convergence problem found. I went through and cleaned all the connectors. When I cleaned the daughter board on the HDM the problem went away. The Ultra FGM does seem to work in the non ultra chassis with the exception of most of the geometry functions.
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Nashou66
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draganm
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| nuttall_chris wrote: | The Ultra FGM does seem to work in the non ultra chassis with the exception of most of the geometry functions.
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it works but it's kind of a waste. Sell the FGM and pick a normal focus board, they're super cheap and plentiful since this module almost never goes bad.
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