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questions about sony 1031Q (newbie warning)

 
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Crzee8s



Joined: 27 Aug 2008
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: questions about sony 1031Q (newbie warning)

Hi.

I stumbled upon this forum thru lumenlab.com, and found it very interesting. I built a LCD pj based on the lumenlab design but when i was finished i wanted to try something new.

i picked up a very cheap sony 1031q with nearly new tubes earlier in the week and am looking through various posts and setup instructions and still had a few questions..

1) i am trying to perform the convergence and am having issues with the horizontal tilt for the green tube. the red and blue tubes have horizontal tilt knobs, which i can use get the r & b tubes level, but the green doesn't have any. I look in the green tube at the raster after i center it and sure enough it looks tilted, just as it does on the wall. how do i fix this?

2) the blue lens has some sort of UV coating on it that is flaking off in some spots. i cant really tell if this is affecting the picture or not as i am only working with the hatch pattern now. however, i do have a problem with the center and corner focus only on this lens. i have played with the two focusing mechanisms on the lens, and can go from out of focused, to marginally focused, to out of focus again as i move the focusing mechanism from one side to another. It seems like my lens spacer is correct, but the sharpness isnt there like it is on the red or green. should i try and pull all the UV coating off? it looks a bit hazy when i look into the lens at the tube like someone got some muck on it.

3) i plan on using a HTPC for the signal and understand about the max scan rate, and negative sync. if i am using power strip, what is the box i have to keep below 36khz to prevent from damaging the pj? i plan to use the RGB2 connector with a HD15 adapter. Also, if there is a setting for 1080i that people are using with the 1031q, the values would be appreciated.

4) if i run my pc at 640x480 will that fry the pj? that to me sounds like 480p in full screen mode and should be OK.

Thanks so much, and sorry for the newbie questions.
Greg
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CRT_Ben



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: questions about sony 1031Q (newbie warning)

Crzee8s wrote:
Hi.

I stumbled upon this forum thru lumenlab.com, and found it very interesting. I built a LCD pj based on the lumenlab design but when i was finished i wanted to try something new.

i picked up a very cheap sony 1031q with nearly new tubes earlier in the week and am looking through various posts and setup instructions and still had a few questions..

1) i am trying to perform the convergence and am having issues with the horizontal tilt for the green tube. the red and blue tubes have horizontal tilt knobs, which i can use get the r & b tubes level, but the green doesn't have any. I look in the green tube at the raster after i center it and sure enough it looks tilted, just as it does on the wall. how do i fix this?

2) the blue lens has some sort of UV coating on it that is flaking off in some spots. i cant really tell if this is affecting the picture or not as i am only working with the hatch pattern now. however, i do have a problem with the center and corner focus only on this lens. i have played with the two focusing mechanisms on the lens, and can go from out of focused, to marginally focused, to out of focus again as i move the focusing mechanism from one side to another. It seems like my lens spacer is correct, but the sharpness isnt there like it is on the red or green. should i try and pull all the UV coating off? it looks a bit hazy when i look into the lens at the tube like someone got some muck on it.

3) i plan on using a HTPC for the signal and understand about the max scan rate, and negative sync. if i am using power strip, what is the box i have to keep below 36khz to prevent from damaging the pj? i plan to use the RGB2 connector with a HD15 adapter. Also, if there is a setting for 1080i that people are using with the 1031q, the values would be appreciated.

4) if i run my pc at 640x480 will that fry the pj? that to me sounds like 480p in full screen mode and should be OK.

Thanks so much, and sorry for the newbie questions.
Greg


Well it sounds like you've done some research but no harm in asking newbie questions! We only get mad at those who come in and say "I gots Sony 1031q!! I can haz 1080p?!?111" Mr. Green

1) The best way to do this is by leveling the scan yoke (also called sweep yoke or deflection yoke). There are fatal voltages that pass through the scan yoke, so this must be done with caution. See this for further explanation: http://www.curtpalme.com/Yoke.shtm . You should probably reference the service manual and do some research before trying it yourself, and remember - always work with one hand outside of the PJ...that way, shocks can't go through your heart.

2) The coating on the lens will make no difference on the picture - it's so far from the focal plane that you'll never see it on screen. HOWEVER - the "muck" you see is truly there, it's usually called fungus, though it's not really fungus, it's a reaction between the glycol coolant and the tube chamber. To clean it, you'll have to pull the whole tube from the chassis. See this for more info: http://www.curtpalme.com/CLR_Defungus_Sony_Tubes.shtm .

3) I'm not sure about HTPC resolutions/Powerstrip settings as I've only played around with Powerstrip for a very short time. However, 1080i from normal sources (consumer set-top boxes, DVD players, game machines) is safe for the 1031, as is 480p. 576p (PAL) might be ok, but I'm not sure. Don't go any higher than that, or *poof* because these machines have no overscan protection.

4) No, that should be safe, provided it's at 60Hz. Don't run higher than 60Hz or you'll let out the magic smoke Smile

Hope that helps,
Ben
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject:

Ben pretty much nailed everything. I wouldn't try 1080i, if the computer defaults to something higher while playing with it, you'll toast the set. Once you get to see 480p on a CRT, you'll love it, and will want to upgrade down the road..Smile
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Crzee8s



Joined: 27 Aug 2008
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject:

wow thanks for the thorough and quick response!!! its nice to see that there are some receptive people out there who dont mind helping someone new to the hobby Razz

One of the main reasons I wanted to try analog was because I was running a 140" 4:3 screen with the lumenlab lcd pj (LCD was only 1024x768 native), but could not see past the lack of ability to focus corners and the screen door effect. i already like all the flexibility i'm seeing on the crt with all the adjustment knobs.

i appreciate all your help. i'm sure ill have more questions as i go Razz and yes i originally wanted something more like a barco 800 series, but i thought for this set would be a good way to start and it was a good price at $50.

Thanks!
Greg
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stuffandpuff



Joined: 30 Jul 2008
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject:

Crzee8s wrote:


One of the main reasons I wanted to try analog was because I was running a 140" 4:3 screen with the lumenlab lcd pj
Greg
Be warned, you wont be able to do anything close to a 140" screen on a 1031 or any CRT projector. I would not go any bigger than a 72" wide 16:9 screen. Some people suggest a 7' screen for 7" projectors but that creates an image that is too dim for my tastes. There is no CRT projector that can do 140 inches and retain the needed light output in my opinion.
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Zebu Fellenz



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject:

stuffandpuff wrote:
Crzee8s wrote:


One of the main reasons I wanted to try analog was because I was running a 140" 4:3 screen with the lumenlab lcd pj
Greg
Be warned, you wont be able to do anything close to a 140" screen on a 1031 or any CRT projector. I would not go any bigger than a 72" wide 16:9 screen. Some people suggest a 7' screen for 7" projectors but that creates an image that is too dim for my tastes. There is no CRT projector that can do 140 inches and retain the needed light output in my opinion.


With a 1-1.3 gain screen I'll agree with you. But use a torus and all bets are off. I've seen CRT machines setup on +10' wide torus screens with light to spare.
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Satanier



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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject:

What's interesting though is that his lumenlab outputs less lumens than this CRT, so it would be an improvement for him on the same screen, would it not? Or does CRT lumen rating drop exponentially as screen size increases?
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Crzee8s



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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject:

well.. im willing to compromise my screen size for picture quality. i took another look at my screen size, and it is about 9' wide, so a 135" diag on 4:3.

the bulb in my diy projector is a 400w metal halide... i know that most people get around 250 lumens out of good projectors over there... so i figured that a 600 lumen crt should be at least good..

one question i have though, at what point or distance is the lumen output measured? i am completely happy with my light output my diy pj... my screen is just white flat ceiling paint. the corners are a bit dimmer but by nature of the design, that is tough to avoid.

hence i would expect at least this bright of a picture from the 1031. for some reason the forum is timing out when i try to upload a picture of it... hmmm.

Greg
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject:

Crzee8s wrote:
well.. for some reason the forum is timing out when i try to upload a picture of it... hmmm.

Greg


Resize you pictures to 1024 pixels wide and try again.

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Gamby



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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: questions about sony 1031Q (newbie warning)

Crzee8s wrote:


2) the blue lens has some sort of UV coating on it that is flaking off in some spots. i cant really tell if this is affecting the picture or not as i am only working with the hatch pattern now. however, i do have a problem with the center and corner focus only on this lens. i have played with the two focusing mechanisms on the lens, and can go from out of focused, to marginally focused, to out of focus again as i move the focusing mechanism from one side to another. It seems like my lens spacer is correct, but the sharpness isnt there like it is on the red or green. should i try and pull all the UV coating off? it looks a bit hazy when i look into the lens at the tube like someone got some muck on it.


On a 1031, the surface of the blue CRT itselfs get's very dirty due to the hot air flowing in front of it...
just remove the lens and clean up the face of the blue CRT first (and the other too, won't be bad) that might help a lot.
as well in those sets the electrical adjustement of the blue is often on purpose adjusted a bit unfocussed to help get a better white. at last anyway the blue will probably never get as sharp as the other 2 colors.

Crzee8s wrote:

3) i plan on using a HTPC for the signal and understand about the max scan rate, and negative sync. if i am using power strip, what is the box i have to keep below 36khz to prevent from damaging the pj? i plan to use the RGB2 connector with a HD15 adapter. Also, if there is a setting for 1080i that people are using with the 1031q, the values would be appreciated.


I've been using for a while a 1031 with a HTPC, powerstrip provides you a progressive PAL and a progressive NTSC presseted, that works fine, what you have to change only is the Sync that should be setup to negative, when it's default to positive in powerstrip.
I tryed 1080i, but the image won't be sharp enough. I always worked with progressive PAL (as I'm in france) with very good result I tested as well progressive NTSC with joy.
never try to use a native resolution from you PC... as curt said, you'll toast everything.

I strongly recomand (if it's not allready the case) that you use a double graphic card (with two VGA out), and playup a long enough with power strip first before you send a signal to the proj.
and always control from your monitor what resolution is effectivly sent so the second VGA before you feed realy the proj.
another nice solution, if you have 2 computers and if you're confortable enough, is to remote control the one that is feeding the proj from the second one using VNC (if you know that and are confortable enought with).

at last, not every graphic card let you use some low (from a coputer perspective it's very low) resolution as PAL, NTSC beeing interlaced or progressive.
ATI Radeon serie is one of it and works well. they may be some others but I don't know it.
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Crzee8s



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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject:

I have a radeon x1950 pro which seems to work fine. some of the interlaced resolutions wont appear on the monitor, but will still show on the CRT.

I'm still having some focus issues with my blue, and currently the pj is not powering up very long since removing the lens block assy. i dont think the focus issue is related to the interlaced res i am trying to run 1024 x 768i, and the lens itself looks super clean as does the face of the tube... are you able to get your interlaced resolutions to converge well? how is the sharpness (ie desktop text)?

thanks
Greg
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