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vespaman · Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Stockholm

With 24p-only material getting more and more common, I am starting to think about the next step in my set-up.

This is what I have today;

Source: Tvix 6500 outputting 1080p HDMI to
AVP: Onkyo 905 forwarding the 1080p HDMI to
Converter: HDFury
Proj: Marquee 9500 (modified with color corrected lenses, and various electronics)

The Tvix can let the output fps/frequncy follow the material, i.e. when playing 24p material, it can switch to this. So this part is probably ok.

The Onkyo cannot do any processing (afaik) on 1080p24.

Obviously the projector is not doing 24p well. Not sure about the HDFury.

So, I need a recommendation on how to proceed. I have already (more or less) decided to go with the new Moome HDMI 1.3 ext box, so I can get gamma correction among others, and hopfully better handling of 50p, which the HDFury shifts too much right. If I also get a sharper pic, that would be a bonus.

But how to do 24p? I guess I need a proper VP? Or is there any simpler (read: lower cost) solution. I guess just doubling or trippling the scan rate would do it for me.

I have no need for scaling, since I only watch 1080i or 1080p, the Tvix cannot auto output the i/p, so I let it do the deinterlacing when needed. Not optimal (I guess the Reon in Onkyo might do this better), but nothing I can do about it.

If it wasnt for HDCP, I guess I should go for a full VP directly into the Marquee. But I like to be able to cope with HDCP when needed...

Confused

Gino · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:05 am Post subject:

You'll need a VP to frame double or triple for you so you get 1080p48/72. CRT won't show 24p, refresh is too low.

The Lumagen Vision HDP would be your cheapest bet, then this would connect to your Moome.

vespaman · Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Stockholm

Gino · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:20 am Post subject:

The moome external has multiple HDMI inputs, so you can go direct with 1080p60 into it as you'd want that for video material anyway, that is if the HDP doesn't support it.

vespaman · Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Stockholm

Hi,

Infact, the new Moome 1.3 ext box only has one input. But anyway, even if it would have two inputs, I am not sure this a good set-up, since I would then have two paths from the 905 (one through the VP, and one direct to the Moome), depending of what material to watch. Complicates things too much for the casual user, that does not know how to check if the material is 24p or anything else.
And, afaik, there's no way to select the ouput "on the fly" on the Onkyo, you have to go into the menu system to bind the output to the input.

It seams that RadianceXD does 1080p60 on the inputs, but using that box only for my purpose would be a crime. Also a larger hole in my wallet than I would like too. Sad

Gino · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:17 am Post subject:

Sorry, haven't paid much attention to the new moome external, I was thinking about his previous one obviously.

What's your budget? You can find cheap second/b-stock VP50's for less than $2K I believe.

If you can send 1080i60 out of your other devices, the HDP can then deinterlace it back to 1080p60 for you.

nuttall_chris · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject:

Until tomorrow you can get the DVDO VP50 for $899 at the following link. Use coupon code AVSDVDO. This is a refurbished unit.

http://www.secondact.com/c=7N6EqjWrCrAGbd8iB1IepGGkg/results.cgis?catalog=DEFAULT&keywords=dvdo

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Id do this first , sell the HDfury, and I wouldnt use the Onkyo for any video feed to the Marquee. no matter what they say about it video capapbilities most here would agree it would only degrade the picture.

1)Replace the HD fury With moomes HD-MUX DVI repeater to take care of HDCP and add 4 HDMI inputs at once.The optical can cary the audio from the HDMI compressed 7.1 acording to the specs if not add a HDMI spliter before the MUX to get full HDMI audio to the Onkyo via HDMI for Bly Ray sources in the future. Then you can use either the HDMI out or the DVI out to:
2) a lumagen HDP or HDQ (Both used) have this now output 1080p to the Marquee via RGBHV

This will give you many more input option for future expansion of sources and the Lumagen will not only take care of Gamma better(11 point gamma) it also has color gammut controls for primaries and secondaries so greyscale and primaries and secondaries can get the full attention they may need. the moome external ony will give a general boost to gamma with out the precise control that any Lumagen product will now give, also Lumagen is always adding new features via firmware updates .

if you are patiant and look for a lumagen and get the Moome HD-MUX you'll have everything you'll need for a long time for close to $ 1000 or a little more.

Athanasios

vespaman · Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Stockholm

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

vespaman · Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Stockholm

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

vespaman · Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Stockholm

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

I would use the Mux as it strips HDCP so you can use the rgbhv outs which looks very very good. But if you can wait for the next HD-VIM card from moome then you wont need the MUX to strip HDCP, or the EXT HD. so if HDCP is not an issue for you now get the lumagen and use its RGBHV's and later when Moome makes another batch of HD-VIM's you can go to Blu-Ray and have an all digital path.The moomes EXT HD analog should be no better than the Lumagen where you get superior scaling. I wouldnt get the EXT HD.

Athanasios