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Nashou66
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| CxTurbo wrote: | Awesome. Thanks for that. I will add that to the spreadsheet.
At the moment I am going through the remaining boards then I will add it to the sheet as well.
I will be ordering the Caps and Resistors in the next day or so to get that started.
Has anyone removed the heatsink on the VNB without damage? Or is it still not advised? I would like to have that extra room to work and it would also help make things much cleaner.
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I have , But you have to be extremely carful not to shear off the leads of the Motorola Transistors. You wont find those anywhere. Well I found a supplier for one of the types and they were 123 bucks each!!
You have to hold the center threaded part of the transistor while removing the nut, kinda like some rear struts.
Athanasios
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HK-Steve
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 849 Location: Switzerland
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Agree with Anthanaios,
I bought a lot of 10 busted neck boards off Curt, just for the transistors, in case I broke one,
I then removed the heatsink, did all the work, then replaced the heatsink, without damaging anything.
But was nice to have them just in case.
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barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011 Posts: 1304 Location: Germany
TV/Projector: Marquee 9500 Ultra
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Hello James,
| CxTurbo wrote: | | I've been trying to find the inductors in either 220uH or 270uH 3A but all I come up with are the toroid type. Is that what you were using Barclay or are yours like the Bobbin wound ones like Nash used? Either way I can not for the life of me find bobbin ones rated at over an amp or so. |
I've used three types depending on their specs, available space and my inventory (purchased ones and the ones I got from cannibalized boards, see picture). On the CLM I used radial (bobbin) ones and on the VIM I used axial ones. For the VNBs I included axial ones into the cabling (see pictures). To the VDM I added radial inductors and the CAB and SAB received toroid ones plus additional capacitors (1000µF/470µF) as additional L/C combination. The SAB filtering was mounted onto the CAB as the SAB's power is routed across the CAB. I'll see if I can make pictures of the finished boards (a little more difficult since the Marquee has found its final place at the ceiling. I'll post some pics at the HT thread soon).
| CxTurbo wrote: | | I am trying to compile a list by board of components to share with everyone as the thread has hidden bits here and there IF you had not read it from front to back. |
Yeah, me too. But that might take some time. Please find below the list I compiled from the Barco Reality 909 which I used as a guideline.
Regards,
barclay66
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011 Posts: 1304 Location: Germany
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Then we could use SMD parts to make an LC filter for each harness. Just a thought. |
...and an excellent one!
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CxTurbo
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 425 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Wow, Barclay!
That is some great work there. Thanks for sharing.
I have been playing with my Marquee the last few days and must say on the brightness front it blows my 9PG away. I MUST get the caps,chips and resistors to do the basic restoration to it though as the picture is not very stable and jiggles a fair bit.
Does anybody have a schematic for the 50-2003-04P HDM they could share? I have 3 schematics for the HMS plus the ULTRA HDM Schematic but not for this older style one it seems.
Also On the HDM there are several 1N4004 Rectifiers I found some 1N4936 Soft Recovery ones that look like they will work.
Also it seems that there are 2 voltage dividers in the circuit as well that I may replace with the LM4040.
James
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011 Posts: 1304 Location: Germany
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| CxTurbo wrote: | | Does anybody have a schematic for the 50-2003-04P HDM they could share? |
Hello James,
This seems to be a HDM from a pre-8500/9500 machine. There is a 9000 service manual on the web (search for "marquee 9000 schematic"). The HDM in this manual has the part number 03-270303-04P which equals to board number 50-2003-03P Iss. 1 (should be fairly similar).
BTW: The HDM doesn't have any kind of reference voltage circuit on it. Instead You will find two on the Horizontal Daughter Board (one designed as a voltage divider around U507 with 10.0V and another made of a TL431C as U509 with 2.5V)...
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barclay66
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CxTurbo
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 425 Location: Ontario, Canada
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| barclay66 wrote: | | CxTurbo wrote: | | Does anybody have a schematic for the 50-2003-04P HDM they could share? |
Hello James,
This seems to be a HDM from a pre-8500/9500 machine. There is a 9000 service manual on the web (search for "marquee 9000 schematic"). The HDM in this manual has the part number 03-270303-04P which equals to board number 50-2003-03P Iss. 1 (should be fairly similar).
BTW: The HDM doesn't have any kind of reference voltage circuit on it. Instead You will find two on the Horizontal Daughter Board (one designed as a voltage divider around U507 with 10.0V and another made of a TL431C as U509 with 2.5V)...
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Thanks for that tip on the Schematic I will look for that one.
You are correct,I should have said that they were on the small signal daughter board.
Nash, You are right I meant to say FAST recovery, LOL. All this excitement lately with getting my marquees working after having the for 2 years is almost too much...........
James
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| barclay66 wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | | Then we could use SMD parts to make an LC filter for each harness. Just a thought. |
...and an excellent one!
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Thanks, We could add jarmo's Heater element Circuit on it as well if there is room.
I have to re learn Eagle for PCB layouts. Or, if some else could design it and send me all the gerber files etc We could have them made up by a company in Canada I used to make the HCFR probes PCBS I have.
Athanasios
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CxTurbo
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 425 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Somebody has some work to do! I will start by doing the Maintenance part once those are done I will move on to the Performance Mods.
Started to work om my boards Monday. Back plane boards are finished and I will move on to the HDM and Focus boards once I get more Solder Wick and my new tip set for the soldering station.
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CxTurbo
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 425 Location: Ontario, Canada
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First problem has popped up on the VDM. This morning I fired up the projector and heard a sparking/fizzling type sound with a V-Fail light on. I noticed while poking around that the 1U0 cap over R46 was loose when I touched it the sound stopped (I did not change this cap at all). So in the process of working on the board I must have knocked it loose. Sure enough while I was removing the heat sink the damn thing fell off. So I re-soldered the part and put everything back together. I now have the same V-fail light on. Could that shorting have taken out the TL084 chip? The damn thing worked fine last night so I am at a loss other then what I had mentioned. I put in a spare VDM and everything is back to normal.
I have not touched the Chips yet as I was waiting to see if I could get a deal on the BB's to replace the TL084's with.
I did change the Electrolytics, Current sense resistors, 1N4003 Diodes and Mylar caps (except C1004).
Thoughts?
James
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Nashou66
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CxTurbo
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 425 Location: Ontario, Canada
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I'll give it a go tonight and see what I can come up with.
I'll post back tonight when I give it a test.
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Nashou66
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I can't find R46 on the board i'm looking at. Is it marked under the resistor?
Pics would help I guess. lol
Ok I'll be at work tonight so good luck.
I have a VDM/CVA that has an issue too, sending signals that have to be off because they were causing the
convergence timing to be off. The adjustment hump was off to one side and the secrete service menu would not help.
I bet a bad chip here as well.
Athanasios
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CxTurbo
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The Mylar cap that is elevated off the board is on top of R46 and difficult to see as they are paralleled and the cap is way bigger the the resistor.
I won't be home until midnight roughly so it will be late by the time I try this. I might just take the opportunity to replace both the cap and resistor. I am not 100% satisfied with the repair as it is mainly large blobs of solder to hold stuff together.
James
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CxTurbo
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Oops! Here are some pics......
I was so proud of how pretty this board looked too 8(
R46 measured @ 74K5 Schematic states 75K so that's good. I'll have to check the Ref voltages as you said. If not I will be sucking it up and buying Chips. I might just go the SOIC14's and the use DIP adapters. Not the best way but also not $ for the NOS DIP14's that are long NOS now.
James
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Nashou66
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CxTurbo
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I almost ordered them when I ordered the other stuff.
I'm just really wanting to get the BB's and run them in every op amp position.
I can get them in DIP but it's about $40 for 5.
The tricky one will be the VNB's HK Steve did those I think.
Regardless thats just me being difficult. Lol
James
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Nashou66
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