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kschmit2
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VDC came in later and bought everything off hi-rez 
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kal
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Brian Hampton
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Man,
The Marquee's sure are nice looking.
=Brian
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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
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Don't forget, Runco invented the Marquee...
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draganm
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Location: Colorado
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I thoguth I was pretty well versed in Marquee trivia but I had never even heard of half of those companies. The amount of CRT lore on this site is amazing, good job guys.
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Drez2
Joined: 17 Nov 2007
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Location: Los Angeles
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Add one more Marquee to the list.
The REFERENCE 9 by PSI or Projection Systems International. They claimed it was the worlds greatest projector... I bought
one and it is very good... just a stock Marquee 9500LC with a fancy black fiberglass case. I spent a great deal of money making it into what they claimed it already was. I have most of the E-tech / MP mods plus HD-10F lenses now and it is smokin! PSI became Nine 3 Media then they went out of business making many people angry because they took their money and didn't deliver. However, many thanks to Cliff Guice for teaching me about the chassis and set-up.
Dave
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Drez2 wrote: | Add one more Marquee to the list.
The REFERENCE 9 by PSI or Projection Systems International. They claimed it was the worlds greatest projector... I bought
one and it is very good... just a stock Marquee 9500LC with a fancy black fiberglass case. I spent a great deal of money making it into what they claimed it already was. I have most of the E-tech / MP mods plus HD-10F lenses now and it is smokin! PSI became Nine 3 Media then they went out of business making many people angry because they took their money and didn't deliver. However, many thanks to Cliff Guice for teaching me about the chassis and set-up.
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I mentioned PSI erlier but they ignored me  I have a striped Reference 8 that some one took all the modded boards from. But since you said it wasnt really that modded i feel better now!!!
Athanasios
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kschmit2
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Heidelberg, Germany
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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The PSI (Projector Systems Inc.) remanufactured models were actually called:
Visual Dynamics Reference 8
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Drez2
Joined: 17 Nov 2007
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Location: Los Angeles
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Yes- that's it and that's the case I have. It is very nice although the projector doesn't have the X-ray shields inside. Either they could not fit due to the after market case or they didn't bother, I'm not sure.
Another thing I forgot to mention about PSI and the projector I received- I was promised new OEM tubes and they turned out to be new re-built VDC tubes. The tubes are OK- but not what I was promised.
Dave
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harperhometheater
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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Location: Hawaii
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: TAW info correction |
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FYI and to clarify.....
The TAW-HD800 was based on the Electrohome Marquee 8110+ chassis, not the 8500. All other info seems correct and it had the option of adding Red and/or Green color filtering.
Reading this thread was a nice walk down memory lane  THANKS!!! 
Dave Harper
ISF Calibrator & ex-TAW affiliate, tweaker, technician, sales and all around CRT setup dude 
| kschmit2 wrote: | Theater Automation Wow (TAW) HD-800:
based on a Marquee 8500 (?) AC
HD-145 lenses
black case
Theater Automation Wow (TAW) HD-900:
based on a Marquee 9500 (Ultra?) LC
HD10GT17 lenses
exclusive ODVI input (Optical Video Digital Interface)
Kai
Kal, I desperately tried to attach this TAW HD-800 manual as a rar file of 2.91 MB. The forum software rejects it though ("you tried to upload an empty file"). Maximum allowed size is allegedly 3 MB, but it looks like it is 3,000,000 bytes instead.
Here's the link to the non-compressed PDF:
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kal
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harperhometheater
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Don't forget, Runco invented the Marquee... |
Gee, and all this time I thought it was Mike Parker who did that??? 
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Person99
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| Drez2 wrote: |
Another thing I forgot to mention about PSI and the projector I received- I was promised new OEM tubes and they turned out to be new re-built VDC tubes. The tubes are OK- but not what I was promised.
Dave |
Lots of people have experiences like the with PSI. They made a habit out of screwing people. I can only hope that they all get what they deserve.
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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
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I heard the other day from a guy that worked with the Madrigal sets. Apparently the red C elements were tinted to their spec (?) which gave better colors than a stock C element. Also, they dropped the memory count from 80 locations to 65, but added independent astig settings per memory block. That was a bit advantageous to people that were running a bunch of different resolutions, but at this point with everyone running (usually) only one, it's not a big deal.
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kal
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kschmit2
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Heidelberg, Germany
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A little history lesson:
| Quote: | Dear Madrigal Customers,
It was three years ago at Cedia 1999 when Madrigal announced the birth of a new brand, Madrigal Imaging. Our decision to enter the video category was based on our interest to provide you with a complete and integrated high end home theatre "system" that provided the best available performance with one touch operation. In some key respects, we achieved our goals and are proud of the products we brought to market. The Madrigal Imaging products offer some of the finest video performance available in the world.
In the last three years we have learned more about the video category and the requirements of sustaining our position in the category. As we looked to the future of Madrigal, we identified both opportunities and resource conflicts with the long term goals of our core brands. Through the feedback of our customers worldwide, it was clear that Madrigal's customer base values the supply and distribution of Mark Levinson, Proceed, Revel and Audioaccess above our involvement with video products.
This experience and ongoing evaluation has concluded with our decision to exit the video category. The question was then "how?" It was extremely important to us to insure that our Madrigal Imaging customers and dealers worldwide could continue to count on a commensurate level of support and service. Our preference was to identify a company to purchase this division; one that demonstrated similar standards for customer service and distribution; one that would maintain production of the products for our customer base. We are pleased to advise you that we succeeded. Effective September 24, 2002, Madrigal sold the Madrigal Imaging division to Crystal View(tm).
Crystal View was formed in June 2002 by Gary Guidi, President of HI-Rez Projections and David Wolff, former General Manager of Vidikron. HI-Rez has been specializing in CRT projector service and remanufacturing since 1992.
Crystal View intends to operate Madrigal Imaging as a separate division, maintaining the Madrigal Imaging products and trademark as well as supporting warranty and service on all new and previously sold Madrigal Imaging products. Product availability and warranty service were the two foremost concerns for Madrigal in this transition. In our opinion, Crystal View has the ability to provide these services at the highest level possible. Crystal View is recognized as the premier CRT service authority in the United States and is more knowledgeable about the Madrigal Imaging projectors' chassis and electronics than anyone else in the industry.
We are confident that Crystal View is capable of providing a smooth transition for Madrigal's customers.
Effective immediately, Crystal View will begin selling the Madrigal Imaging MP-9 and MP-8 CRT projectors, and the MP-D1 single lens D-ILA projectors.
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source: www.madrigalimaging.com/mi/mihp.html
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kschmit2
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Heidelberg, Germany
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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and some info about the MP-8 and MP-9 that confirms Curt's report:
| Quote: | MP-8 and MP-9
The first Madrigal Imaging products, developed jointly between Madrigal, Christie Digital (formerly Electrohome) and Joe Kane, are eight- and nine-inch CRT projectors. As the preeminent supplier of high-end audio electronic and loudspeaker systems, Madrigal is well positioned for introducing a range of display devices. Our goals are several:
To offer display devices having quality and performance levels consistent with our other products;
To simplify the operation of the video display device in the context of the rest of the A/V system;
To provide a select number of dealers and their best customers with the level of support and commitment they have come to expect from Madrigal’s other brands.
The MP-8 and MP-9 include technologies and manufacturing techniques that achieve performance levels not previously available at any price. Particular attention has been paid to accurate frequency response, color reproduction, dynamic focus, ease of convergence, and other performance features essential to realizing the tremendous potential of HDTV.
CRT Technology
For the highest quality projected pictures, CRTs remain the undisputed king. Madrigal’s audio heritage lends itself to simple and direct audio analogies. Do you want the amplifier with the most power (light output) or the best sound (colorimetry, resolution, etc.)? We pursue the highest fidelity in both picture and sound, making our approach to video completely consistent with our approach to audio. We believe this consistent philosophy is what our customers want and it is essential for a true Madrigal-based theater system.
The MP-8 and MP-9 are video projectors that embody the essence of the Madrigal design philosophy. They are well-balanced products, with superb performance across a wide range of metrics. They have not been designed to meet a singular, popular specification, but rather to faithfully reproduce an image that engages and captivates the viewer. They are to video what Madrigal’s legendary audio components are to audio.
Our choice of CRTs demonstrates our commitment to achieving the best picture quality, as well as our confidence in their future as the preeminent technology for high-end residential applications.
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Color Range and Accuracy
Madrigal Imaging projectors reproduce vivid, lifelike images. While brightness and resolution are easily measured and form the basis for typical comparisons among projectors, they are the equivalent of sound pressure levels and frequency response in audio. Beyond these basic measurements is an entire range of performance criteria that dramatically affects our perception of the reproduced image.
When the tonal color of a musical instrument is faithfully reproduced, we hear more of what the artist intended and we are drawn closer to the music. Likewise, the filmmaker’s art relies on the projection of colors, captured under carefully orchestrated lighting conditions, using various cameras, filters and film. In some cases, simple, every day images, like a stop sign that is the right shade of red, may make the image more believable, giving our brains less work to do, filling the void between real and imaginary. Other times, the intentional distortion of color is an essential element of the artist’s vision. For video as in audio, the best systems are those through which we experience the image as the artist intended. The best systems provide better color range and color accuracy.
The MP-8 and MP-9 are the first to market with the capability to reproduce the entire color range of HDTV. But range alone is not enough unless rendered accurately. Both optical and electronic refinements have been used to reproduce extraordinarily lifelike colors. The highest quality color-correction is used to reproduce the necessary color range, while the most accurate and stable gray scale ensures superior color accuracy.
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Setup
But no matter how good the potential quality of a projection device, setup determines the final result. The Madrigal Imaging projectors can be installed and easily maintained to deliver superior performance over time. The MP-8 and MP-9 are based on Christie Digital (formerly Electrohome) models, which have earned a reputation for being extremely dependable. With over 25,000 units in the field worldwide, the basic design has proven to be extraordinarily reliable.
The many memories in these projectors allow a wide variety of customized geometry, gray scale, black level and white level settings to be stored and accessed, optimizing the system for the variety of source signals it will encounter. After initial setup, a digital automatic convergence feature lets customers periodically tweak their projection systems without the necessity for frequent dealer service calls.
To help achieve the best possible results with the MP-8 and MP-9, numerous hardware and software features have been included to optimize the system and maintain stable performance over time. Some examples include:
Expanded horizontal and vertical size ranges allow optimum setup of multiple aspect ratios and source signals on a 16:9 screen (where you need more vertical compression and horizontal expansion than otherwise). This involves both hardware and software refinements and is a necessary feature for maximizing performance.
Dynamic focus per setup memory allows optimal focus for any of the multitude of aspect ratios you might encounter. Normal 4:3, letterboxed 4:3 and anamorphic all put any given scan line in very different places on the face of the tube. A single dynamic focus setting is not enough in the multi-source home theater environment.
ACON (automatic convergence) is a standard feature, which can be used to help maintain the projector’s convergence over time. The MP-8 and MP-9 store ACON settings by memory, rather than as a global setting.
The 50-ohm connectors used on other projectors are a hold over from their commercial roots, where durability is of primary concern. The MP-8 and MP-9 use true 75-ohm, gold-plated connectors in the signal path, both inside the projector and on the rear panel, to optimize signal transfer. These higher performance connectors are well suited to residential applications where cables are connected and disconnected less frequently.
Use either RS-232 or PHAST to control the projector. Connection via the PHAST connector to a Proceed processor enables system integration features such as automatic standby and aspect ratio links. Place the disc in the tray and push play. Proper audio and video inputs on the processor and aspect ratio for the projector are selected automatically. No external control system today can offer this level of integration.
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Industrial Design
As with all Madrigal products, the industrial design of the projectors has been undertaken with the intent of enhancing the appearance and functionality of the product without diminishing performance or reliability. The chassis is designed to be unobtrusive, allowing it to blend seamlessly into most theater installations.
The standard finish is matte black (with either black or rosewood side panels), to minimize reflections from the chassis in a darkened theater. The chassis is also available in white (with white side panels) and gray (with aluminum side panels). Side panels can be paired with chassis colors in any combination and special finishes may involve longer lead-times for delivery. Color and side panel options are designed to match Revel Ultima series loudspeaker finishes.
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source: www.madrigal.com/mi/mp_consist_fr.html
| Quote: | Are the lenses color filtered?
The red and green lenses on both projectors are color filtered to the HDTV standard. The color of blue is already correct.
Both projectors are also equipped with a custom color correction module to further refine the color output.
There is also a custom gamma correction module to maintain the proper relationship between the screen brightness and the incoming signal. If the gamma is too high, the picture will be harsh and appear to have too much contrast; if the gamma is too low, the picture will appear to have too little contrast or appear washed out.
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source: www.madrigal.com/mi/mp8n9faqs_fr.html
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kschmit2
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Here's some more info about the Crytal View 12 and Crytal View 22 Split Pack PJs:
| Quote: | CRYSTAL VIEW DEBUTS NEW 2-PIECE CRT PROJECTION SYSTEM AT CES 2003
January 9, 2003 - Crystal View, Inc., made big news yet again! The company debuted their brand new 2-piece front projection system at the recent 2003 Consumer Electronics Show, held in Las Vegas, NV. Hundreds of industry professionals, dealers, and members of the press stopped by to view industry-first projection system.
The two-piece design consists of two separate components, an optics head which houses the cathode ray tubes (CRTs), and a base unit which incorporates the video connections - making the system ideal for home theaters subject to space limitations. The optics head can be positioned in the main home theater room, while the base unit can be installed in a separate room.
Crystal View will market both 8-inch and 9-inch CRT versions of the two-piece system. The Crystal View 12, which features 9-inch CRTs, has a $69,999 MSRP. The Crystal View 22, which features 8-inch CRTs, has a $54,999 MSRP. Both models are shipping now.
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source: http://www.crystalviewinc.com/news.html
Kai
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kschmit2
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finally, a press photo of the Crystal View CV-1
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Spanky Ham
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Don't forget, Runco invented the Marquee... |
Hi,
I am the attorney representing my client Sam Runco and we would like you to cease and desist immediately any more slanderous comments such as the one above.
P.S. - Oh, by the way my client would like everyone to know it is true.
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