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greg_mitch
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | As i said in the beginning. Backing B/R made sense. Sony had the means and the media catalog to make B/R a winner.
It just made sense.
I have never understood why some folk hae Sony so much. Like Toshiba is a paragon of morality....
They are media companies, selling product.
The move to insist on B/R in ps3's was the smartest move in the game. if not for that b/r would not have prevailed.
So is there a meeting at Yalta? Or do we just accept a surrender.
If so i want the term "fanboy" banished from all threads forever! |
lol, for some reason I see G.I. Joe kneeling down and saying to me,
"greg, sometimes doing the right thing, like supporting HD DVD, doesn't make you popular."
Is that gay?
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MYoung
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Actually, the battle is over. HD DVD lost. The war begins now -- DVD vs. Blu-ray.
I'm going to stock up on HD DVDs on the cheap, sit back, pop some popcorn, and enjoy watching this war play out. It's time to find out if the masses give a rat's about HDM. I hope most don't so that Blu-ray has to really complete hard with DVD. I want to see Blu-ray titles at DVD prices. I'll buy in then.
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oliverg
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Most analysts are saying that despite the explosive growth this year, it will be 2009 before BR gains enough momentum to really threaten a significant segment of DVD's 'market' share.
Having said that, word is that BR is already doing better than DVD was doing vs VHS at the same point in their battle
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betel
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Although I bought into Blu-ray when I purchased my PS3, I thought HD-DVD would prevail for the same reason VHS did; lower cost. I decided on Blu-ray for the same reason I went with Beta-max and Laserdisc, I perceived them as the superior product. I hear a lot from the HD-DVD people claim thier's was the superior product and should have prevailed but I've never heard why they thought it was. Would someone enlighten me.
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Tom.W
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WanMan
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| Tom.W wrote: | | I looks like they killed the good witch of the west and got the wrong one... |
I would a) blame the likes of retailers like best Buy for deliberately not selling the basement HD DVD player in my neck of the woods, where b) the local Wal-mart in my affluent neighborhood does not stock any standalone high definition player at all, an c) for Toshiba projecting the "cheaper format" that is often interpreted as the less-than-best format.
What I do want to know if that the DVD forum selected HD DVD over Blu-ray and now the primary HD DVD industry backer is quiting like a quitter does so well. How does the DVD forum have any meaningful purpose in industry as a result of this fiasco? They supported the format that lost and we are suppose to believe that they lost not because of consumers--then blame industry!
Hey, now Sony can start selling $299 PS3 galore and Toshiba can crank out all of those cell processors for Sony. Its a bloody win-win situation, but just not necessarily for HD DVD advocates and supporters.
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ecrabb
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| betel wrote: | | Although I bought into Blu-ray when I purchased my PS3, I thought HD-DVD would prevail for the same reason VHS did; lower cost. I decided on Blu-ray for the same reason I went with Beta-max and Laserdisc, I perceived them as the superior product. I hear a lot from the HD-DVD people claim thier's was the superior product and should have prevailed but I've never heard why they thought it was. Would someone enlighten me. |
This has been discussed ad nauseam in other threads, but I'll indulge you. There is very little technical difference between the two formats. BD is the larger format 25/50 GB vs. HD's 15/30 GB, and BD can handle a slightly higher maximum throughput. For movies, the additional storage and higher bandwidth was of little value. 3-hr movies fit perfectly - with extras and uncompressed audio - on the 30 GB HD DVD.
Along with all that Blu-ray 'technical superiority', you get a second (additional) layer of DRM (BD+) which caused incompatibility in some set-top box BD players until the firmware was updated, and is still causing problems for PowerDVD. You also get region restriction codes (not in the HD DVD spec), incomplete format specs (with hardware and media built on the incomplete spec, and hardware that's half-again to double the price of comparable HD hardware.
None of that matters anymore, now. Sony and the BD fanboys won the propaganda war and convinced enough people that BD was somehow superior, and that HD DVD was failing even when it wasn't. The false prophecy worked.
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ronholm
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: THE FORMAT WAR OFFICIALLY OVER! |
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| MikeEby wrote: | | oliverg wrote: | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1627196120080216
Ding Dong the witch is dead
So HD-DVD supporters, are you still going to deny the end??? |
Perhaps we will call it an insurgency, but I for one will buy up HD-DVD's at firesale prices.
Mike |
HEHE... Insurgency's are a great plan.. I am up on all of Mao's tactics.. LMAO..
Then four years from now when there still is a small following for HD DVD we can laugh at these guys and their Mission Accomplished banners, and ask them how long they will continue to fight a un-winnable war...  
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kal
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | kal wrote: | C'mon Oliver. How could it possibly be over? Over 33,000 people signed a petition to save HD-DVD! They can't all be wrong!  
Kal |
And this is what they are talking about... |
Sorry. Couldn't help myself. Just found it funny that anyone would actually think an online petition where anyone can sign any number of times is going to actually amount to anything. People actually thought it would do something!
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Don't crush the hope!!!
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emdawgz1
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| oliverg wrote: | Most analysts are saying that despite the explosive growth this year, it will be 2009 before BR gains enough momentum to really threaten a significant segment of DVD's 'market' share.
Having said that, word is that BR is already doing better than DVD was doing vs VHS at the same point in their battle |
Media companies dont want to kill dvd... they want to expand their market by selling both.
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lyd
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This may have already been reported here somewhere, it's hard to keep up with all these threads, but I just read that back in January JD Powers sent a crew of "mystery shoppers" out into the retail world to pose as new HDTV owners who were looking for a high-definition disk solution. Their results indicated that HD-DVD was already dead: 25-percent of the sales droids didn't recommend one HDM format over the other and 67-percent recommended Blu-ray, leaving less than 10-percent sticking up for HD DVD. Not a single HD DVD recommendation came from Best Buy and not a single salesperson suggested HD DVD would become the dominant format.
*shrug*
I guess toshiba fell down on the spiffs.
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What really lost the war for Toshiba were two major factors;
1.. as has been already pointed out: The PS3... the father of the PS was asked to step down last year due to the slow starting PS3.. as it has turned out, the PS3 has accounted for a huge amount of BR sales and is actually gaining a lot of momentum in the console war. People have woken up to realise that it is far more than just a game's console. Sony's vision of convergence .. at least in regard to making the PS3 a BR player probably the war for Sony
2. Toshiba's awful marketing campaign. .. you can't sell a secret! The last post by lyd says it all
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My perception of HD DVD is not much different than the run of the mill consumer. One manufacturer meaning that zero in-market competition would probably not garner me a good deal if it stared me in the face. Backed this [misconceived] notion with retail projection that the players are about the same by deliberately NOT offering the entry-level player.
There was nothing to keep Toshiba from making arrangements with DirecTV, Dish Networks, and Comcast and TWC by providing advertising slips in the monthly bills to reach a broader audience and not rely on retailer's marketing mechanisms they had no control over. Heck, do they think marketing doesn't work for business? Just look at Bose and Monster Cable! Shoot, they deserved to fail.
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| WanMan wrote: |
There was nothing to keep Toshiba from making arrangements with DirecTV, Dish Networks, and Comcast and TWC by providing advertising slips in the monthly bills to reach a broader audience and not rely on retailer's marketing mechanisms they had no control over. . |
Absolutely 100% spot on.
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| Tom.W wrote: | | Same question again.... What makes DRM, Regional codes and Blu ray a better format ??? |
Good question. What do the BD royalty arrangements look like for Sony? If they receive any royalties from the sale of BD discs, I won't be participating in Hi Def, as this would require violating my self-imposed post-rootkit boycott of anything that might send cash into their coffers. It goes pretty deep. I still get a lot of enjoyment out of normal DVDs with FFDShow.
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