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Person99
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| ecrabb wrote: | | kal wrote: | But man, I have to admit, I really like my PS3.  |
Me, too. My Toshiba XA1 is a very nice disc player - really nice, actually. But, as a piece of cool technology that does a lot more than just play movies, the PS3 is awesome - and for not much more than the XA1. |
I know everyone says that, but even though I have to get a BD player now, I'm not getting a game machine for my theater.
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Well, I plan to get a PS3, but I'm not "getting a game machine for my theater." I don't intend to play games on it. By all reports, the PS3 is one of the best BD players available, and it's also reasonably priced. And it should have much higher resale value than any player-only box, should I decide to get rid of it.
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Person99
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | | Well, I plan to get a PS3, but I'm not "getting a game machine for my theater." I don't intend to play games on it. By all reports, the PS3 is one of the best BD players available, and it's also reasonably priced. And it should have much higher resale value than any player-only box, should I decide to get rid of it. |
The other part of it is that I don't want to give Sony any more money than I have to. 
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| Person99 wrote: | | I know everyone says that, but even though I have to get a BD player now, I'm not getting a game machine for my theater. |
Give it a chance Dave. I was completely dead set against it as well when I first starting looking for a BD player. It's the *LAST* thing I wanted in my HT. I had no interest in any of the gaming or media features at all.
Even today I would still buy the PS3 as a BD only machine as it's the only one out there that's 100% upgradable, is 100x faster than the others, and holds its value much much better than anything else. It's a fantasic piece of engineering from both the electronics and UI standpoints.
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ecrabb
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Yep. Throw the 'gaming' controller in the box and use the media remote, and you'll never even really know it's a game machine. The interface is beautifully elegant (almost Apple-like in its simplicity) and understated. The xbox 360 by comparison is loud, big and colorful - almost garish.
The PS3 almost looks like it isn't even a game machine.
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| Person99 wrote: | | The other part of it is that I don't want to give Sony any more money than I have to. |
I'll be buying it used, from a private party. That won't give Sony much.
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WanMan
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| Person99 wrote: | | kal wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Kal what is it you like most about blu ray ? Is it the name, the DRM or the regional codes or is it that it costs more so must be better... |
Blu-ray is not better than HD-DVD. I tried both, and stuck it out with Blu-ray as it seemed to have the sales advantage. In other words, at the time I made my choice, I chose the one that was (in my eye) 'winning' the war. Don't confuse my choice with the one that is 'better' as for the most part I preferred the open ideas of HD-DVD over Blu-ray. |
And yet, your actions and the actions of others like you is why BD won and consumers lost. Don't take this as harsh criticism, just reality--you simply helped the worse format win, you have to accept that fact. |
Now this is funny. You are blaming a consumer for doing a better marketing job than Toshiba could. LOL  Yessir, two thumbs up for that bloody conclusion.
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| garyfritz wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | The other part of it is that I don't want to give Sony any more money than I have to. |
I'll be buying it used, from a private party. That won't give Sony much. |
I did the same for my PS3. Craigslist is your friend.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Breaking: Universal Studios Goes Blu |
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http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Universal/Breaking:_Universal__Studios_Goes_Blu/1483
Breaking: Universal Studios Goes Blu
Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 12:14 PM ET
Tags: Universal (all tags)
Universal Studios Home Entertainment has officially announced that it will release its titles on Blu-ray.
Though details of the studio's transition away from HD DVD were still sketchy at press time, Universal Studios Home Entertainment President Craig Kornblau officially confirmed the move in a just issued statement:
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"The path for widespread adoption of the next-generation platform has finally become clear. Universal will continue its aggressive efforts to broaden awareness for hi-def’s unparalleled offerings in interactivity and connectivity, at an increasingly affordable price. The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate. While Universal values the close partnership we have shared with Toshiba, it is time to turn our focus to releasing new and catalog titles on Blu-ray."
Universal's statement this morning comes only hours after primary HD DVD-backer Toshiba announced that it would drop its support of the format. Universal was the format's most ardent studio backer, having released titles on HD DVD exclusively since the format's inception.
We'll have more on this breaking story as it comes to us.
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Oh noes! Not looking good! 
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All the ducks are in a row now...
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Person99
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| WanMan wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | kal wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Kal what is it you like most about blu ray ? Is it the name, the DRM or the regional codes or is it that it costs more so must be better... |
Blu-ray is not better than HD-DVD. I tried both, and stuck it out with Blu-ray as it seemed to have the sales advantage. In other words, at the time I made my choice, I chose the one that was (in my eye) 'winning' the war. Don't confuse my choice with the one that is 'better' as for the most part I preferred the open ideas of HD-DVD over Blu-ray. |
And yet, your actions and the actions of others like you is why BD won and consumers lost. Don't take this as harsh criticism, just reality--you simply helped the worse format win, you have to accept that fact. |
Now this is funny. You are blaming a consumer for doing a better marketing job than Toshiba could. LOL Yessir, two thumbs up for that bloody conclusion. |
I fail to understand what you find funny. 
In a free market, consumers have the ultimate power. You "vote" with your dollars. Consumers are the ONLY ones that decide if a product succeeds or fails. Therefore, consumers are ultimately responsible for this. The fact that many consumers are swayed by marketing is a separate issue and more of a sad commentary our their intellectual prowess and critical thinking skills.
So, what I find funny is a consumer that says, "I wanted HD DVD to win, but I did all I could to make sure Blu-Ray won." 
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| Person99 wrote: | | WanMan wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | kal wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Kal what is it you like most about blu ray ? Is it the name, the DRM or the regional codes or is it that it costs more so must be better... |
Blu-ray is not better than HD-DVD. I tried both, and stuck it out with Blu-ray as it seemed to have the sales advantage. In other words, at the time I made my choice, I chose the one that was (in my eye) 'winning' the war. Don't confuse my choice with the one that is 'better' as for the most part I preferred the open ideas of HD-DVD over Blu-ray. |
And yet, your actions and the actions of others like you is why BD won and consumers lost. Don't take this as harsh criticism, just reality--you simply helped the worse format win, you have to accept that fact. |
Now this is funny. You are blaming a consumer for doing a better marketing job than Toshiba could. LOL Yessir, two thumbs up for that bloody conclusion. |
I fail to understand what you find funny.
In a free market, consumers have the ultimate power. You "vote" with your dollars. Consumers are the ONLY ones that decide if a product succeeds or fails. Therefore, consumers are ultimately responsible for this. The fact that many consumers are swayed by marketing is a separate issue and more of a sad commentary our their intellectual prowess and critical thinking skills.
So, what I find funny is a consumer that says, "I wanted HD DVD to win, but I did all I could to make sure Blu-Ray won." |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Person99 wrote: | | So, what I find funny is a consumer that says, "I wanted HD DVD to win, but I did all I could to make sure Blu-Ray won." |
That's a bit of a strong statement. If I had actually done 'all I could', I would have bought into Blu-ray much earlier and pushed it hard with friends/family and dissed HD-DVD every chance I could.
Instead the line should read:
"I wanted HD DVD to win, I waited until there appeared to be a clear winner in my eyes, and bought into Blu-ray when it seemed inevitable that they would win."
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Person99
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| kal wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | So, what I find funny is a consumer that says, "I wanted HD DVD to win, but I did all I could to make sure Blu-Ray won." |
That's a bit of a strong statement. If I had actually done 'all I could', I would have bought into Blu-ray much earlier and pushed it hard with friends/family and dissed HD-DVD every chance I could. |
It was a bit of hyperbole to prove a point--and not directed at you per se but all the folks saying "I think HD DVD should win" then using the most powerful tool they had in their arsenal, their purchasing power, to buy into BD. Don't take it so strong! 
I understand that you made what you considered to be a reasoned pragmatic decision to help Blu-ray win. You have outlined your thinking and priorities previously--I just happen to disagree with your priorities. My comments about uniformed consumers certainly did not apply to you.
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | WanMan wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | kal wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Kal what is it you like most about blu ray ? Is it the name, the DRM or the regional codes or is it that it costs more so must be better... |
Blu-ray is not better than HD-DVD. I tried both, and stuck it out with Blu-ray as it seemed to have the sales advantage. In other words, at the time I made my choice, I chose the one that was (in my eye) 'winning' the war. Don't confuse my choice with the one that is 'better' as for the most part I preferred the open ideas of HD-DVD over Blu-ray. |
And yet, your actions and the actions of others like you is why BD won and consumers lost. Don't take this as harsh criticism, just reality--you simply helped the worse format win, you have to accept that fact. |
Now this is funny. You are blaming a consumer for doing a better marketing job than Toshiba could. LOL Yessir, two thumbs up for that bloody conclusion. |
I fail to understand what you find funny.
In a free market, consumers have the ultimate power. You "vote" with your dollars. Consumers are the ONLY ones that decide if a product succeeds or fails. Therefore, consumers are ultimately responsible for this. The fact that many consumers are swayed by marketing is a separate issue and more of a sad commentary our their intellectual prowess and critical thinking skills.
So, what I find funny is a consumer that says, "I wanted HD DVD to win, but I did all I could to make sure Blu-Ray won." |
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. |
It will pass, but of course I'm going to be a little irked that effectively all consumers got screwed by the short-sightedness/stupidity of less than 1% of the consumers.
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kal
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| Person99 wrote: | It was a bit of hyperbole to prove a point--and not directed at you per se but all the folks saying "I think HD DVD should win" then using the most powerful tool they had in their arsenal, their purchasing power, to buy into BD. Don't take it so strong!
I understand that you made what you considered to be a reasoned pragmatic decision to help Blu-ray win. You have outlined your thinking and priorities previously--I just happen to disagree with your priorities. My comments about uniformed consumers certainly did not apply to you. |
Understood and no matter how I spin it you're absolutely right that me buying a PS3 and a bunch of Blu-ray discs in the late summer of 2007 certainly helped move Blu-ray forward even though (in my mind) it was already on a roll. It certainly didn't do any good for HD DVD!
If I really truly wanted HD DVD to win, I should have waited until mid-January 2008 after Warner made their announcement as at that point there was seriously no going back. My lust for HD movies got the best of me.
If it makes anyone feel better, the first 20-30 Blu-ray movies I bought were obtained used off eBay so they didn't play directly into the sales figures.
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| Person99 wrote: | | It will pass, but of course I'm going to be a little irked that effectively all consumers got screwed by the short-sightedness/stupidity of less than 1% of the consumers. |
So, which 1% of the consumers are to blame? The 1.3 million HD DVD owners? I blame marketing. Ignorance is blissful, and if retailers are not talking, manufacturers not reaching me, then how can I be blamed? Heck, I didn't chose one over the other as I supported both. I'm just glad its over and hope not to get screwed too much more as I am sure regardless of who won in the end consumers get the ultimate in screwing.
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