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kal
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | Jeez Kal, if you were any more of a fan-boy you would have named your first child Sony. |
Show me where anything I've said could be construed as being a "fan boy". I'm just one for the facts. I just bugs me when someone echos a rumour that they heard as 'fact'. Doesn't matter which side.
Kal
P.S. Personally I don't understand why people are dumping HD-DVD players either. They still play the damned discs and are very good upscaling DVD players to boot. Why not keep enjoying them?
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jkruger
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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I'll be keeping mine and enjoying the reduced prices on movies. The upscaling on sd is great.
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deronmoped
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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My choice to stick with SD DVD's is looking better all the time 
I wonder if the winner of the HD format war will take on SD DVD's next?
Deron.
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lyd
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| MikeEby wrote: | | I picked up a sealed Video Essentials Digital on HD-DVD last night for $18 from an AVS member that was jumping ship. |
You might not be able to use it. The current version of PDVD (3730) does not handle the menus correctly. The previous version did, and versions before that did not. They fixed with 3516, and apparently broke it again with 3730.
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MikeEby
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| lyd wrote: | | MikeEby wrote: | | I picked up a sealed Video Essentials Digital on HD-DVD last night for $18 from an AVS member that was jumping ship. |
You might not be able to use it. The current version of PDVD (3730) does not handle the menus correctly. The previous version did, and versions before that did not. They fixed with 3516, and apparently broke it again with 3730.
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draganm
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Some people in this thread just don't get it. I don't think the majority of us are pissed becasue we lost money on an HD player. I personally am disgusted that I am being forced to choose a product I don't like, I don't want , and will suck twice as much money out of my pocekt. I will continue to support HD over Sony's crap and I might even have to drop in to BB for a few movies this week. As soon as I have time, I will be canceling Netflix and going to Nutbuster as well.
| garyfritz wrote: | | So unfortunately the upscaling features of the A2 are not a big advantage for me. I haven't done a careful comparison but so far I can't see that the A2 upscales any better than the Momitsu. |
You gotta be shittin me  Gary if you can't see a difference between the moshitsu with DVI-A/RGB feed and the HD-A2 running true HDMI then something is really, and I mean REALLY, wrong with your set-up.  Maybe you need the Marquee master to come up there and dial that 8500 in? 
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garyfritz
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, A), the Marquee is still in pieces so it would take more than a quick dial-in.  And B), I'm running the Momitsu DVI output through the Moome box. So it "should" be comparable to the HDMI output of the HD-A2.
But if you want to volunteer to do a setup, I'll provide the beer. I haven't touched the Marquee for about 9 months and I've forgotten half of what I knew!
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draganm
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | | Well, A), the Marquee is still in pieces so it would take more than a quick dial-in. And B), I'm running the Momitsu DVI output through the Moome box. So it "should" be comparable to the HDMI output of the HD-A2. |
DVI through HDMI is not the same as full HDMI, so that should actually be a handicap for the momitsu. Plus, weren't there some glithces with the outboard box? I wonder if your seeing what HDMI is really capable of?
| garyfritz wrote: | | But if you want to volunteer to do a setup, I'll provide the beer. I haven't touched the Marquee for about 9 months and I've forgotten half of what I knew! |
Had to give up beer, allergic to the mold. however a fine Scotch or Bourbon is always enticing.
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kal
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I can't drink beer anymore, either. Well, hardly any. I can drink half a damn fifth of Jack Daniels with a buddy and get up the next morning and feel just fine. I'm tired, but I'm fine. 6 or 8 beers? I can't even get through the night without getting a splitting headache - never mind the next day. It's pounder city.
It used to be only when I drank sh*t domestics I'd get headaches (and a lot of it). I heard it was the preservatives (formaldehyde?) in the huge batch commercial beers. But, for the last 5 years or so, even 2-3 big craft brews and I get a bad headache. Not sure what it is, but I'm obviously allergic to something.
Don't get me wrong - I love beer - man, a good hoppy ale, or a deep rich bottom fermenter - they're awesome with great food or whatever - I just can't drink it anymore. Don't know what the deal is, but every time I partake, I pay for it.
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garyfritz
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Serious bummer, dudes. I'd hate to develop a beer allergy.
I thought DVI was essentially HDMI stripped of its HDCP and digital audio? I.e. just the digital video signal, same as what's running in the HDMI cable?
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JustGreg
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| KennyG wrote: | | JustGreg wrote: | Why not a check?...Warner got $500 million to convert.  I'm sure NetDix whored themselves for alot less.
Greg |
Stop the lies...Warner got NOTHING to convert, it was a business decision, and anyone who says different is ignorant...or just pissed because they took a chance, and lost. SO WHAT???
Everyone who's bought into HD disc took the same chance, we all knew that eventually one who have to loose.
And yes, their IS a reason Netflix is dropping HD-DVD, it's called business sense. The few they loose in business will more than be made up for by cutting their HD stock in half...besides no matter what anyone says, they'll be back. It's simple, if your into HT, then HD is the only way to go, what other choice do you have...buy Blu-Rays? or Rent them? OR simply go without? 99.9 are not going to go without.
Lucky I sold my HD-DVD the day after Warner's decision, it didn't hurt so much. |
Thems fightin words. I take exception to the first three words of your reply there Kenny.  I HAD researched but hadn't dug deep enough to find definitive proof. Misinformed maybe, but a 'liar' I'm not. But OK, I withdraw my comment... but only for lack of proof.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner:_No_Payoff_for_Move_to_Blu-ray/1327
I'm not pissed that I dropped a little cash on one side of the fence. phhht I've pissed away alot more in less meaningful ways. My storage room is full of hardware and software that are icons of by-gone technologies. The thing about those piles of 'junk' is there were options available when I purchased them.
I simply don't like the fact that consumers (me) are being deprived of choice. Sony used every rotten trick in the book to prevent adoption of a standard that was anything other than theirs, and which was/is nowhere near as polished as HD-DVD; although it too is only in it's 3G stage. Sony won't fix anything because their technology is embedded in another of their products which is historically involved in a battle all it's own. (Re:PS3).
Hell, they (Sony) wanted Blu-Ray media to be encased in an expensive caddy initially until members of the DVD Forum created their own blue laser caddy-less technology. (Enter HD-DVD)
Sony sabotaged every vote for format adoption until their three dissenting sitting members were replaced on the DVD Forum. In the process, consumers lost in more ways than one. I can't find any numbers stating how many $$$'s have been spent on this whole mess but worldwide I'd hazard a guess it's in the billions. But it all could have been avoided early on if Sony had just adhered to the democratic process of majority rules within the DVD Forum.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD
Fine. Sony wins. I won't buy a Sony player tho. We'll see how all the Sony fanboys feel when the only game in town comes at a non-competitive price. Sony will have relatively unimpeded and unregulated control of that format. (There will be the DVD Forum..still chaired by Toshiba, and government agencies) You said it yourself, "99.9 are not going to go without." GOTCHYA!
It's all going to be a moot point shortly anyway as delivered digital content and storage matures; (REAL uncompressed HD, not HD-Lite) Not even Sony will be able to wheel-N-deal and weasel their way around that.
If my facts are incorrect I have no problem being corrected, as I want to understand this subject too. Name calling is offensive, childish, and counter productive.
Greg
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draganm
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| kal wrote: | | draganm wrote: | | Had to give up beer, allergic to the mold. however a fine Scotch or Bourbon is always enticing. |
Mold? If you're drinking beer with mold in it, the problem's not the beer!
Kal |
haha All Beer has active yeast in it or yeast by products. Yeast is just a polite name for mold. My fave unfiltered Micro brews were the worst. Try it, next time you open a Beer, take a whiff and you will smell the mold. I have same symptoms as the crab-man, severe fatigue that lasts for days after drinking Beer. It sucks but that's the hand I was dealt and thank goodness for distilled Spirits. 
| garyfritz wrote: | Serious bummer, dudes. I'd hate to develop a beer allergy.
I thought DVI was essentially HDMI stripped of its HDCP and digital audio? I.e. just the digital video signal, same as what's running in the HDMI cable? |
I will bow to other authorities on thi but I believ HDMI 1.3 has a substantial advantage in color tracking and other parameters directly linked to pic performance. Also, I think the whole Black crush issue on the original Moome DVI card was due to something inherent in the DVI signal.
| JustGreg wrote: | Fine. Sony wins. I won't buy a Sony player tho. We'll see how all the Sony fanboys feel when the only game in town comes at a non-competitive price. Sony will have relatively unimpeded and unregulated control of that format. (There will be the DVD Forum..still chaired by Toshiba, and government agencies) You said it yourself, "99.9 are not going to go without." GOTCHYA!
It's all going to be a moot point shortly anyway as delivered digital content and storage matures; (REAL uncompressed HD, not HD-Lite) Not even Sony will be able to wheel-N-deal and weasel their way around that.
If my facts are incorrect I have no problem being corrected, as I want to understand this subject too. Name calling is offensive, childish, and counter productive.
Greg |
your right and it's time to send a real message to the corporations. I've started my HD-DVD call to arms here
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=100850#100850
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kal
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | haha All Beer has active yeast in it or yeast by products. Yeast is just a polite name for mold. My fave unfiltered Micro brews were the worst. Try it, next time you open a Beer, take a whiff and you will smell the mold. |
I smell yeast [sometimes], never mold.  I'm a beer brewer with approximately a dozen different type of yeast cultures in my bar fridge right now so I know exactly what beer/yeast smells like! I've got 7 kegs in the freezer and another 10 gallons brewing as I type... (I'm getting thirsty!)
The yeast will do you no harm. In fact, it'll help fight hangovers. The commercial stuff is full of preservatives and flash pasterized so there's little yeast left in it (at least not live yeast). My stuff and microbrewery stuff will still have a lot of active yeast in suspension, but at so little volume that it appears clear (unless it's wheat beer of some sort which is meant to be cloudy but not due to the yeast).
Mmm... beer.
Are we getting off topic?
Kal
P.S. Mold is multi-cellular, yeast is single cell.
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draganm
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| kal wrote: | | The yeast will do you no harm. In fact, it'll help fight hangovers. P.S. Mold is multi-cellular, yeast is single cell. |
ok, but they both smell moldy to me and I'm allergic to both. 
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oliverg
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If you're smelling mould - something is seriously wrong!!
I have 4 19litre kegs - a 40 litre brew container, a storage/brewing fridge and a "servng" fridge.
I rotate 2 of the 19l kegs with the other pair. The brewing fridge has a temperature thermostat that turns a heater on/off - for lagers it sits at exactly 4C ..
One of my friends has even gone so far as to grow his own hops / & other ingredients!
The key is how well you clean everything. So much fun!
So off topic
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JustGreg
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Seeing as we're off topic by a couple miles, I have a question about the effects of beer. No, not the obvious ones. I can't drink any more than 2 or 3 16-ish oz beers of any brand without getting a headache. Any ideas why? I love beer...especially a good red beer (I just think they taste cleaner and don't give you vomit breath after a couple...I suppose it could be unique to just me)...but I just can't handle the almost instant hangover. 'Taint fair I tell ya!...to get a hangover before you even get close to buzzed ain't right...ain't right at all!
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its a more interesting topic.
Kal, please start a brewing area. Whats a Home theatre without a homebrew ???? Just a big TV for the kids to play video games on...
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Phil Smith
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These days, I'm good for 2 or 3 beers, then I get sleepy and want to go to bed.
I saw a Modern Marvels episode about the spirits the other day. They said while one type might give you less of a hang over than another, the primary hang over inducer is alcohol.
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lyd
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| JustGreg wrote: | | I can't drink any more than 2 or 3 16-ish oz beers of any brand without getting a headache. Any ideas why? |
That's easy, you're drinking them too slowly.
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