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JustGreg
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| Person99 wrote: | Matt (Ridebreck) went to the gray side and still pops in. We have not kicked him out yet.
Heck, when the digis are cheap and good, I'll be going there for a CIH set up! Problem is I see rainbows on all single-chip DLPs and the LCDs all look like crap. Can't afford a 3 chip DLP or good LCoS, so the CRT stays.  |
I'll probably be going down that very same road. I love my 8500 but short of very bright animated Disney Movies, most movies seem to be made for light cannons and are dark. Gamma adjustment options now available are a nice option but you can still only get so much water (lumens) through a straw...so to speak.
The only way I can put more light on the screen is to make the screen smaller, move the pj closer, not fully utilize the tubes, and I'm not about to tear down everything to do that.
Greg
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Joust
Joined: 05 May 2006
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Location: Almonte, Ontario, Canada
TV/Projector: Marquee 8501LC
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Higher gain screen helps a lot.
you can always Stack 'em....
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JustGreg
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| Joust wrote: | Higher gain screen helps a lot.
you can always Stack 'em.... |
One outta two ain't bad!  I'm still using plain BOC until I can get the screen to a friends house when the weather is better so he can spray it with a mix of Behr UPW and pearlescent. I don't trust my painting skills to roll it on.
Stack? Yeah...right. I have all I can do to get the wife to accept the occassional HT expenditures as it is. Good advice tho.
Greg
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Person99
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Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| JustGreg wrote: | | Joust wrote: | Higher gain screen helps a lot.
you can always Stack 'em.... |
One outta two ain't bad! I'm still using plain BOC until I can get the screen to a friends house when the weather is better so he can spray it with a mix of Behr UPW and pearlescent. I don't trust my painting skills to roll it on.
Stack? Yeah...right. I have all I can do to get the wife to accept the occassional HT expenditures as it is. Good advice tho.
Greg |
Given the comparisons I've done, I would not even mess with the paint. Just do a Wilsonart screen and be done with it.
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| JustGreg wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | Matt (Ridebreck) went to the gray side and still pops in. We have not kicked him out yet.
Heck, when the digis are cheap and good, I'll be going there for a CIH set up! Problem is I see rainbows on all single-chip DLPs and the LCDs all look like crap. Can't afford a 3 chip DLP or good LCoS, so the CRT stays. |
I'll probably be going down that very same road. I love my 8500 but short of very bright animated Disney Movies, most movies seem to be made for light cannons and are dark. Gamma adjustment options now available are a nice option but you can still only get so much water (lumens) through a straw...so to speak.
The only way I can put more light on the screen is to make the screen smaller, move the pj closer, not fully utilize the tubes, and I'm not about to tear down everything to do that.
Greg |
Brightness is not my issue. In fact, most of the digis I look at are dimmer than my PJ. I believe the Quee is a very poor performer in low level details from my experience. Mods and gamma adjust are completely necessary. In playing around, we've never got a quee to show as many low level details as a barco 1208/2 or Cine8. I have not complaint about low level details on my PJ, but I know at least one Quee owner that went digital because of the poor Quee performance on this aspect.
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JustGreg
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Location: Kenosha, WI
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| Person99 wrote: | | JustGreg wrote: | | Joust wrote: | Higher gain screen helps a lot.
you can always Stack 'em.... |
One outta two ain't bad! I'm still using plain BOC until I can get the screen to a friends house when the weather is better so he can spray it with a mix of Behr UPW and pearlescent. I don't trust my painting skills to roll it on.
Stack? Yeah...right. I have all I can do to get the wife to accept the occassional HT expenditures as it is. Good advice tho.
Greg |
Given the comparisons I've done, I would not even mess with the paint. Just do a Wilsonart screen and be done with it. |
You know I totally forgot about that option Dave. (despite how much it's been discussed around here lately). I'd just gotten it in my head (unga!) that I have the screen, I have the paint, therefore I MUST paint it.
The frame is already built so.....GODDAMNIT DAVE! Now I've got to think about this and I was right in the middle of screwing off at work.
Kidding...thanks for the reminder. 
Greg
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Person99
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The frame is already built so.....GODDAMNIT DAVE! Now I've got to think about this and I was right in the middle of screwing off at work. |
Mount the Wilsonart to the frame!!!!
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Brian Hampton
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Hey,
What's the comment about DLP about? You need to at least go Sxrd or LCOS if your migrating from a nice CRT. DLP aint gonna work for ya.
-Brian
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Colorado
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| Person99 wrote: | | Brightness is not my issue. In fact, most of the digis I look at are dimmer than my PJ. I believe the Quee is a very poor performer in low level details from my experience. Mods and gamma adjust are completely necessary. In playing around, we've never got a quee to show as many low level details as a barco 1208/2 or Cine8. I have not complaint about low level details on my PJ, but I know at least one Quee owner that went digital because of the poor Quee performance on this aspect. |
True, the Marquee crushes Blacks with a standard RGB feed but a Moome HDMI card eliminates this problem comepletely. When I first got my card a bunch of local guys came over and we used an HD-A1 + Batman Begins as a test disc. The Black levels were a good as I've seen anywhere on any dispaly device. I would go so far as to say that In 2008 the Moome card HDMI card is a must have for any CRT. IMO without some form of low end gamma boost and HDMI 1.3 feed a CRT projector is so handicapped it's not even worth debating it's performance.
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JustGreg
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Location: Kenosha, WI
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| draganm wrote: | | True, the Marquee crushes Blacks with a standard RGB feed but a Moome HDMI card eliminates this problem comepletely. When I first got my card a bunch of local guys came over and we used an HD-A1 + Batman Begins as a test disc. The Black levels were a good as I've seen anywhere on any dispaly device. I would go so far as to say that In 2008 the Moome card HDMI card is a must have for any CRT. IMO without some form of low end gamma boost and HDMI 1.3 feed a CRT projector is so handicapped it's not even worth debating it's performance. |
So just exactly how much is moome paying you for your endorsements?
I agree Marquee's need mods and/or add-ons to get the best out of them but this is the year of the rat, er, roof for me. I've been budgeting/saving to re-roof my ranch and spending almost $500 for moome's latest isn't in the budget right now. I'll just have to continue using moome version 1 and go for more screen gain. That's an expense I can get past the wife.
Normally she doesn't say boo about my HT hobby expenditures but she's tired of looking at the spots on the roof where repairs were performed before we bought the house with shingles that don't match 100%. She's pushing pretty hard on this project....for the last 8 years!
I do wonder if she's gotten ideas from LMN (Lifetime Movie Network, aka The Man Hater Network) and has secretly taken out a life insurance policy on me. (I'm doing it myself).
I'm kidding.....she tolerates me.  After 20 years together, I can live with that!
Greg
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draganm
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| JustGreg wrote: | | So just exactly how much is moome paying you for your endorsements? Greg |
LOL, he should be. It's just that this card did things for my 8500 I never expected and how often does that happen in HT. Usually, at best, it's like "yeah, I can see a little difference". This time, was just blown away by this card, and I had seen the previous DVI version on a few occasions and never installed one on my machine.
I got the HDMI version just for HD-DVD and not because I expected a great perfromance boost. I was expceting better shadow details and I got that but there was even more to it like better ANSI contrast, better colors, sharper, etc.
I agree with your plan thoguh, getting rid of that cheap cloth screen should be your first priority.
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paw
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| JustGreg wrote: | So just exactly how much is moome paying you for your endorsements?
I agree Marquee's need mods and/or add-ons to get the best out of them but this is the year of the rat, er, roof for me. I've been budgeting/saving to re-roof my ranch and spending almost $500 for moome's latest isn't in the budget right now. I'll just have to continue using moome version 1 and go for more screen gain. That's an expense I can get past the wife.
Normally she doesn't say boo about my HT hobby expenditures but she's tired of looking at the spots on the roof where repairs were performed before we bought the house with shingles that don't match 100%. She's pushing pretty hard on this project....for the last 8 years!
I do wonder if she's gotten ideas from LMN (Lifetime Movie Network, aka The Man Hater Network) and has secretly taken out a life insurance policy on me. (I'm doing it myself).
I'm kidding.....she tolerates me. After 20 years together, I can live with that!
Greg |
Roofs ain't cheap. Here in Colorado, we usually get a good hail storm every 10 - 15 years. That way insurance foots the bill. Well at least they spread out the cost for us. I've got 2 new roofs on 2 different houses in the past 19 years.
If she's toleranted it for 8 years, what's another year or 2 or 8. 
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Gino
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| draganm wrote: | | I would go so far as to say that In 2008 the Moome card HDMI card is a must have for any CRT. IMO without some form of low end gamma boost and HDMI 1.3 feed a CRT projector is so handicapped it's not even worth debating it's performance. |
Just FYI, moome's current HDMI marquee cards are not HDMI 1.3, but I hear that he will ikely bring these out
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whats6x7
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So would my Wilsonart screen be OK with a DLP run in economy mode?
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Phil Smith
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You need to ask that question on a digital PJ forum. Most of us wouldn't know.
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Joust
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most of us are biting our tongues.
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Phil Smith
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Now Barry, not everyone can be a CRT PJ owner. Let's cut some slack for those that can't handle it.
I think it's probably wise to ask questions about digital PJs to someone, well ANYONE, but us. 
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Joust
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But he is....he is just bailing on us, the traitor....
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Phil Smith
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I don't mind that. But I must say I do think that if someone is going to deflect, they should do so without an announcement. It's not that important, and there's no need to be a drama queen about it.
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whats6x7
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sorry
Your right, the question was in bad taste.
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