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Mark_A_W
Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 3068 Location: Sunny Melbourne Australia
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Don't get me started on effing gas prices! |
Oil demand is starting to bump into supply limitations - due to surging demand from China and India. It's not going to get better, oil will probably go from $100 to $120 per barrel this year maybe higher. That puts pressure on inflation...
The Hummer mentality has to end. We are at a tipping point in history. Oil sands, etc, will help, but doing that has it's own consequences.
How much do you pay in Canada anyway? We pay A$150 a litre which is about US$1.35 a Litre. Still too cheap - it needs to go up more so we can wean ourselves why we are still prosperous.
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benareeno
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 1614 Location: ottawa, canada
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we're at about $1.06 a litre now...which is as high as I can ever recall.
Try to tell an American that they shouldn't drive a hummer...good luck!
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GREG1292
Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 417 Location: indiana
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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Well, from what I've read, a lot of the 'alternate' fuels are a crock, as it takes more to produce a liter of oil made from grain than one from petroleum.
I haven't researched it a lot, but my belief is that the hydrogen fuel cells are the way to go. There's a local company that's involved in that.
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Belcherwm
Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Posts: 112 Location: Haymarket, Northern Va.
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| GREG1292 wrote: | My suburban 5.7litre has no problem sucking the gas. 87.00 yesterday to fill up But I need it for a family of 6  |
That's just so wrong.
Lots of other alternatives, unless you're hauling something while the 6 of you are taking a ride to the movies.
| Curt Palme wrote: | Well, from what I've read, a lot of the 'alternate' fuels are a crock, as it takes more to produce a liter of oil made from grain than one from petroleum.
I haven't researched it a lot, but my belief is that the hydrogen fuel cells are the way to go. There's a local company that's involved in that. |
I found this an interesting read:
http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/hydrogen.html
Especially about how much energy it takes to make hydrogen since it does not exist in large enough quantities naturally.
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garyfritz
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Well, "making" hydrogen is like charging a battery. All you're doing is pumping energy into a black box, and later you can take the energy out again. Hydrogen is an energy storage medium, not an energy source. Free hydrogen is not available for the taking, like petroleum has been.
As Mark said we're starting to run into supply/demand issues. There are still gazillions of gallons/barrels/etc of oil, gas, tar sands, etc -- but we just can't pull it out of the ground fast enough to meet the demand. Meanwhile the rate of pulling oil out is slowing, as we hit or pass Peak Oil, while the demand is increasing. The resolution of "lots of demand and not enough supply" is higher prices. Mark, I think you're optimistic if you think oil will only hit $120 this year. The energy traders are buying up huge blocks of options betting that oil will hit **$200** by the end of the year.
And it's not clear how this is going to get resolved. There are plenty of alternative energy sources, but NONE of them can come on-line fast enough to satisfy the demand that petroleum isn't going to cover. I think we can count on MUCH higher energy prices (which will fuel inflation in all sectors) and MUCH lower energy usage. The big houses and big cars/trucks are going to become very unattractive when it costs $500 a month for heat or $150-200 per tank of gas. People are going to start to conserve because they won't be able to afford NOT to.
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GEBrown
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 729 Location: Denver
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| Belcherwm wrote: | | GREG1292 wrote: | My suburban 5.7litre has no problem sucking the gas. 87.00 yesterday to fill up But I need it for a family of 6  |
That's just so wrong.
Lots of other alternatives, unless you're hauling something while the 6 of you are taking a ride to the movies.
| Curt Palme wrote: | Well, from what I've read, a lot of the 'alternate' fuels are a crock, as it takes more to produce a liter of oil made from grain than one from petroleum.
I haven't researched it a lot, but my belief is that the hydrogen fuel cells are the way to go. There's a local company that's involved in that. |
I found this an interesting read:
http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/hydrogen.html
Especially about how much energy it takes to make hydrogen since it does not exist in large enough quantities naturally. |
You know, there's an old American Indian saying that comes to mind:
"Don't criticize a man's teepee until you've walked a mile in his moccasins"
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GEBrown
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 729 Location: Denver
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| Curt Palme wrote: | Well, from what I've read, a lot of the 'alternate' fuels are a crock, as it takes more to produce a liter of oil made from grain than one from petroleum.
I haven't researched it a lot, but my belief is that the hydrogen fuel cells are the way to go. There's a local company that's involved in that. |
The problem isn't so much the efficiency of producing "oil" from grain - we have lots of land and plenty of hungry farmers willing to plant more corn.
The problem is that the grain-based fuels have a lower BTU rating, which translates into fewer miles-per-gallon. I haven't seen an analysis that says at what point "flex-fuel" prices have to be to be even in total consumption with "normal fuel" but I'm sure it's out there.
Still, it's good to know we COULD depend on good old North America technology to fuel our cars if necessary.
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Tinman
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 1326 Location: Carson City Nevada
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| Curt Palme wrote: | I really wonder if the world one day will come to it's senses and go back to paying real money for stuff that lasts. That's been my soapbox for years..
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Yes, as soon as companies come to their senses and go back to paying real money for honest work!! Everyone want's cheap, disposable LABOR. How CAN anyone pay good money for stuff that lasts?
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deronmoped
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1154 Location: San Diego
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I have been expecting for the CRT market to make a turn around. It goes like this.
Cheap easy digitals open up the market to more and more people. Out of all these people there will be a few that are looking for something different, more of a hobby, with a different feel to the image they see on the screen... Sure most people are looking for a quick fix, but then there are the weirdo's like us 8)
Watch out if you suddenly see someone buying up all the CRT's, besides Curt of course.
Deron.
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deronmoped
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1154 Location: San Diego
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| Person99 wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | I really wonder if the world one day will come to it's senses and go back to paying real money for stuff that lasts. That's been my soapbox for years.. |
This is more complex that you make it out. For instance, let's say my digital camera from 6 years ago what repairable and lasted 20 years. Why do I care? I can get a much better one for cheaper now.
So, if I have the choice of paying $10,000 for electronic XXX that will last 10 years or $3000 for a version that will last 3 years, it depends upon the device, but for many of them (for instance the digital camera, portable music player, etc) I'll take the $3000 for 3 years because my total 10 year expenditure is the same, yet every 3 years I get a better device.
I don't have a CRT PJ because I'm some luddite that just loves analog tech or anything like that. I have one because I'm cheap!!! I can't get the level of performance I get for the money I've spent with any other PJ out there! That is the reason I have one.  |
Dave
That's a trap! Run away as quick as you can!
All these manufactures spend tons of money convincing people that 6 mega pixel camera they have is junk and that they need to buy the new 12 mega pixel camera. It's real easy to fall into this trap, look at all the guys buying digital PJ's, when will the one they have be good enough?
The biggest problem I see in upgrading is, do you have the time to do it. Sure if you change a camera out every now and then it's no big deal, but it starts to add up quick when you are upgrading your desktop computers, laptop computers, monitors, cell phones, house phones, CD players, stereo, HT receiver, TV, DVD players, DVD library to HD DVD...
And who has owned a camera long enough to fully know how to use it, only to buy a different camera that they now have to learn how to use
Deron.
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
TV/Projector: Sony 1252Q, AMPRO 4000G
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| deronmoped wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | I really wonder if the world one day will come to it's senses and go back to paying real money for stuff that lasts. That's been my soapbox for years.. |
This is more complex that you make it out. For instance, let's say my digital camera from 6 years ago what repairable and lasted 20 years. Why do I care? I can get a much better one for cheaper now.
So, if I have the choice of paying $10,000 for electronic XXX that will last 10 years or $3000 for a version that will last 3 years, it depends upon the device, but for many of them (for instance the digital camera, portable music player, etc) I'll take the $3000 for 3 years because my total 10 year expenditure is the same, yet every 3 years I get a better device.
I don't have a CRT PJ because I'm some luddite that just loves analog tech or anything like that. I have one because I'm cheap!!! I can't get the level of performance I get for the money I've spent with any other PJ out there! That is the reason I have one.  |
Dave
That's a trap! Run away as quick as you can!
All these manufactures spend tons of money convincing people that 6 mega pixel camera they have is junk and that they need to buy the new 12 mega pixel camera. It's real easy to fall into this trap, look at all the guys buying digital PJ's, when will the one they have be good enough?
The biggest problem I see in upgrading is, do you have the time to do it. Sure if you change a camera out every now and then it's no big deal, but it starts to add up quick when you are upgrading your desktop computers, laptop computers, monitors, cell phones, house phones, CD players, stereo, HT receiver, TV, DVD players, DVD library to HD DVD...
And who has owned a camera long enough to fully know how to use it, only to buy a different camera that they now have to learn how to use
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Then there's the exception to the 'rule'. Me.
I still have my 2nd digital camera ( only because the first broke ).
I build new computers once in a while but I still have an use my 486-50 laptop-my first with a color screen.
I've had the same CRT moitors since 1996,97, and 99, though I did grab a couple of G520's (used) latley. CRT of course.
Same house phones from 1985. Did add one analog cordless headset 5 years ago.
Same HT audio system since 1996-2000 the time I spent building it.
TV....ok I've had a few, ALL are/were CRT based. I've added CRT projectors (duh lol).
DVD library. I have one only because back in 1997 they didn't rent DVD's. So every friday I would have to buy a couple. That stoped as soon as Blockbuster had rentals ( with the exception of a couple of box sets )
Same DVD playing computer still running since 1997.
Ok you've got me on the HD-DVD, I'm on drive number 2 (LG, had Xbox ) which added Bluray as well. Also had to upgrade video card for smooth playback and may have to buy another video card to fix issues with curent one.
It's easy to get caught up in upgrade mania. Especialy when you're a pack rat like me. I think I have a pretty good handle on things now though. I mean I ONLY have 2 HD drives and one's a spare.
I will buy a few more movies I'm sure. Although Blockbuster has started renting them now.
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garyfritz
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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You sound like me. I ran a Sony 19" TV for over 20 years until it died, and replaced it with a 32" CRT that I got used for 1/10th of retail. I completely built and outfitted my HT, from equipment to built-in cabinets, for less than $2500, with mostly used or refurb equipment. Only *new* equipment I've bought for my HT was the Momitsu DVD player (because it had RGB out and was network capable) and my $99 HD-DVD player. Oh, and a Kimcoder (since sold) and a Moome box. I rent most of the DVDs I watch for $1 each -- very few of them are worth watching more than once anyway. The computer monitor I'm using right now is 8 years old, though the computer is only a year old -- because the old one died. We're on our 2nd digicam -- the 1st one died. We have nice cars -- but my wife's Porsche (bought used) is 23 yrs old and my Saab is 6 yrs old, and we have no plans to replace them any time soon. (Unless my almost-teenager can't fit in the back seat any longer! I'm 6'4" and my seat is set waaay back. )
So yeah, I'm a skinflint when it comes to blowing money on toys. (And I don't like contributing to the throwaway economy.) On the other hand we'll pay off our house this winter. Given the way the economy looks these days, I like reducing my exposure.
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado
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| GREG1292 wrote: | My suburban 5.7litre has no problem sucking the gas. 87.00 yesterday to fill up But I need it for a family of 6  | no not , more like Thinking you need 5.7 litres to haul around 6 people is Indianna thinking.
We have a 3 Litre min-van that hauls 6 people easilly, even up to the mountains at 11K feet. Gets 21mpg and costs $40. to fill up. Not great, but a lot better than that beast you feed.
| garyfritz wrote: | | So yeah, I'm a skinflint when it comes to blowing money on toys. (And I don't like contributing to the throwaway economy.) On the other hand we'll pay off our house this winter. Given the way the economy looks these days, I like reducing my exposure. | so the skin-flintiness pays off. I have to admit i'm jealous, having a paid-off house in this country is something people have forgotten how to do. Considering I pay $1200. a month in principle/interest I can only imagine how much security that could buy in even the worst recession.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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Congrats on having your house paid off, Gary. That's great.
Dragan, having your house paid off is great, and I'd like to also, but it isn't quite the panacea of security that some make it out to be. People always think of a home as an asset, when it's as much a liability as it is an asset. Sure, you can buy insurance protect you from most kinds of loss, but not for market value loss, or a few other things that could go wrong. Of course, if you're not selling, market value doesn't mean much. Owning a home is almost more of a symbolic or psychological value than it is any real value.
While we're all over the off-topic map, I know one thing: I need to move to Colorado. My mortgage payment is pretty close to yours - about $1300, actually - but almost $300 of that is county property taxes. My homeowners' is another $75 or so. Basically, I could damn near go to a 15-year note (from my 30-year note) for what I spend in property taxes ever month - almost $3000 annually. I was comparing my taxes to my brother-in-law's in Highlands Ranch. His assessed value is 150% of mine, and his taxes are a fraction of what I pay. I could save several thousand dollars per year moving to Colorado. I'd save some more money on income tax because it's a little lower in CO, too. No inheritance tax in CO, either and there is on everybody but the spouse in IA.
I need to start making plans. Arggh... I'm not even done with my theater!!!
SC
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garyfritz
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Yeah, the house you live in is not really an asset in the investment sense, unless you plan to sell it and move into an apartment or something. But the monthly mortgage cost is a very real liability. Paying off your mortgage should be looked at as a guaranteed 6% (or whatever) return on your money, minus some for the tax benefits you get when paying interest. With the brown thumb I have when investing, that's not a bad return. Seriously, I tend to do some fairly aggressive/risky investing. Balancing it with a 6% investment is sensible portfolio management.
Moving to CO, eh? Highlands Ranch, or elsewhere? GEBrown lives down there, paw is somewhere near, Dragan is about 45mi north, I'm about 90mi north.
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unkyjoesa
Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 84 Location: Marion TX
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Thats why I live in a manufactured home.
4bed 3bath - 2x6 exterior walls - t&g plywood floors - regular walls very well built has stood up well.
Cost me $65,000 new, paid it off last year.
What more do I need, I bought the biggest I could find and had a foundation laid to bolt it down to.
I have no children, just me and the wife and it is enough for us.
Cant take it with you when you go.
All of our friends kind of turned their noses into the air when we spoke of buying it, but here we are 10 years later, my house is paid for, some of them have lost their homes and jobs unfortunately, the others are now renting and really throwing their money into the trash. They all have brand new cars though. Our are 5+ and paid of as well.
Its a matter of how much stuff is enough.
But to those that have more money than sense more power to ya!
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Mark_A_W
Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 3068 Location: Sunny Melbourne Australia
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| garyfritz wrote: | Mark, I think you're optimistic if you think oil will only hit $120 this year. The energy traders are buying up huge blocks of options betting that oil will hit **$200** by the end of the year.
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If I said $200 no one would believe me..
Had a LOT of interest in my Electric Bike lately. I have NO IDEA why
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Mark_A_W
Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 3068 Location: Sunny Melbourne Australia
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| benareeno wrote: |
Try to tell an American that they shouldn't drive a hummer...good luck! |
I have, repeatedly.
It's a kind of sport. Or maybe it's like picking a scab. Painful but satisfying.
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| deronmoped wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | I really wonder if the world one day will come to it's senses and go back to paying real money for stuff that lasts. That's been my soapbox for years.. |
This is more complex that you make it out. For instance, let's say my digital camera from 6 years ago what repairable and lasted 20 years. Why do I care? I can get a much better one for cheaper now.
So, if I have the choice of paying $10,000 for electronic XXX that will last 10 years or $3000 for a version that will last 3 years, it depends upon the device, but for many of them (for instance the digital camera, portable music player, etc) I'll take the $3000 for 3 years because my total 10 year expenditure is the same, yet every 3 years I get a better device.
I don't have a CRT PJ because I'm some luddite that just loves analog tech or anything like that. I have one because I'm cheap!!! I can't get the level of performance I get for the money I've spent with any other PJ out there! That is the reason I have one.  |
Dave
That's a trap! Run away as quick as you can!
All these manufactures spend tons of money convincing people that 6 mega pixel camera they have is junk and that they need to buy the new 12 mega pixel camera. It's real easy to fall into this trap, look at all the guys buying digital PJ's, when will the one they have be good enough?
The biggest problem I see in upgrading is, do you have the time to do it. Sure if you change a camera out every now and then it's no big deal, but it starts to add up quick when you are upgrading your desktop computers, laptop computers, monitors, cell phones, house phones, CD players, stereo, HT receiver, TV, DVD players, DVD library to HD DVD...
And who has owned a camera long enough to fully know how to use it, only to buy a different camera that they now have to learn how to use
Deron. |
Actually, let me sum it up this way:
If the technology is mature with only minor incremental enhancements, I want it to be repairable and durable. CRT PJs are in this category, as are cars, etc.
Some digital tech is in this category, some is not. For the stuff that is not, I want it cheap and new version available the move it to mature tech.
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