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AnalogRocks
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perisoft
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| Quote: | | Record on analog tape and transfer to your ProTools or Nuendo or other DAW for that fat, punchy tape sound. |
I'm going to go put railroad nails in my eyes now.
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Curt Palme
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Why? that's a well known fact about analog tape. I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference, but no question , RTRs at high speed have headroom to burn, and most recording engineers throw that 'phat' word around when referring to analog.
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perisoft
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'phat' just means 'distorted and bandpassed the way tape distorts and bandpasses things'. People going on and on about "the sound of vinyl" or "the sound of tape" just happen to like the effects box that is the recording medium, no more.
I write music. I listen to music - a lot. But I manage to not blind myself with the lie which says there's some magic in the box that makes everything better. There is no 'tube sound'; there is no 'tape sound' - only operations on the original signal that change it. Ask anybody talking about the tape sound whether they're referring to the distortions and frequency range alterations inherent in the medium and they'll be offended.
That kind of blinkered idiocy holds back real change that can do really cool things - and besides that, it really pains me to see people so bereft of enthusiasm for reality that they have to make up a fantasy to enjoy life. The real world is far more interesting and beautiful, if only you have the courage to see - and hear - it.
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AnalogRocks
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Analog hater 
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perisoft
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Analog hater |
Oh, see, that's just not fair! 
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Curt Palme
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| perisoft wrote: | 'phat' just means 'distorted and bandpassed the way tape distorts and bandpasses things'. People going on and on about "the sound of vinyl" or "the sound of tape" just happen to like the effects box that is the recording medium, no more.
I write music. I listen to music - a lot. But I manage to not blind myself with the lie which says there's some magic in the box that makes everything better. There is no 'tube sound'; there is no 'tape sound' - only operations on the original signal that change it. Ask anybody talking about the tape sound whether they're referring to the distortions and frequency range alterations inherent in the medium and they'll be offended.
That kind of blinkered idiocy holds back real change that can do really cool things - and besides that, it really pains me to see people so bereft of enthusiasm for reality that they have to make up a fantasy to enjoy life. The real world is far more interesting and beautiful, if only you have the courage to see - and hear - it. |
Ya know, normally I'm not one to argue these points, but to say there's no tube sound is just wrong..
It's a proven point that tubes distort with even harmonics only (or odd, I can't remember), which is different than solid state amps. Could I tell them apart in a DBT test? I'm not sure, but I do remember when I was getting into electronics, that touching the tip of a phono RCA input jack and getting a buzz through the speakers sounded different than doing it with a solid state amp.
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perisoft
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Sure, no doubt that's true - but it's exactly like you said, they distort in a certain way. I can build a VST Tubify filter which will make the tube sound on a solid state amp.
Audio is no different than video; it's a stream of data. You can digitize it, in fact probably more easily than video, and when you reproduce the waveforms in the air what you got in is what you get out, altered by the characteristics of the input, processing, and output devices.
There is no operation on a waveform which a given amplifier or analog system can do that a digital system cannot do; it is an alteration to a waveform and NOTHING MORE. To suggest otherwise is to demand belief in magic, as I said before. But 'audiophiles' will swear up and down that this isn't the case.
Remember that we're talking about people who think that placing a small piece of plastic on their CD players will add information to CDs that wasn't there... their credibility as a group in determining technical issues is nill, and even you say you probably can't hear the difference. There's a term for this - it's called the placebo effect.
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Curt Palme
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Hey, I guess you've never seen my posts on the >$20K forum at avs? I take on (down) the subjectivists daily..
But the Mpingo dots REALLY do work, really they do, they do! 
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