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kal Forum Administrator
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| greg_mitch wrote: | What is the expected lifespan of this generation of game console? 10 years? 5 years?
Would you expect Sony to include BD in its next gen unit? |
I thought the PS4 was supposed to be announced for around 2012, but someone else here mentioned 2016. So pretty long lifespan.
Will it have Blu-ray? All depends on whether Blu-ray's still around by then I would imagine. Given yesterday's news, the odds look pretty good.
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WanMan
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Even if it is temporary for any studio the net effect on the consumers with little awareness beyond a headline will get them to move on a decision that might ultimately tip a scale farther. In fact, I am a perfect example in that tday I chose not to buy a second HD DVD player.
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zaphod
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you could buy my first HD-DVD as your second one
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greg_mitch
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| WanMan wrote: | | Even if it is temporary for any studio the net effect on the consumers with little awareness beyond a headline will get them to move on a decision that might ultimately tip a scale farther. In fact, I am a perfect example in that tday I chose not to buy a second HD DVD player. |
I don't know...I think consumers with little awareness could care less.
The thing that will really matter is when they go to purchase movies and realize that they are mostly in Blu Ray.
I don't think you can use yourself as an example if you are on a forum talking about this.
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MYoung
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 369 Location: Madison, WI
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I heard that The Matrix won't be released immediately when WB goes BD exclusive because they want to wait until BD specs are hammered out more so they can do it right.
I wonder what would happen if Paramount and Universal started releasing HD DVDs for $15 a pop. We saw huge cuts in hardware costs, but no real cuts in HD DVD title costs. The combo format was a missed opportunity to convert DVD sales to HD DVD sales. Those titles should have at least been the cost of a standard HD DVD.
How many people watch their HD movies more than once? Twice? Three times? How many times do you have to watch a HD movie to make it worth buying verses just renting? Maybe 5 times? It seems to me that life is a little too short to watch most movies 5 times over the course of a format's lifespan. Owning would make sense if movies were $5 each.
Even if HD DVD dies, the whole HD video authored as a HD DVD on a DVD is intriguing. That would be a cool fringe format for short HD indie films, not to mention storing HDTV shows. Does anyone know if BD players can play HD content written to a DVD?
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WanMan
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | WanMan wrote: | | Even if it is temporary for any studio the net effect on the consumers with little awareness beyond a headline will get them to move on a decision that might ultimately tip a scale farther. In fact, I am a perfect example in that tday I chose not to buy a second HD DVD player. |
I don't know...I think consumers with little awareness could care less.
The thing that will really matter is when they go to purchase movies and realize that they are mostly in Blu Ray.
I don't think you can use yourself as an example if you are on a forum talking about this.  |
You are forgetting someone, young grasshopper. If I know this I proactively tell those that are more ignorant on such things and promote information distribution. Thus, they learn [from me] and make a better informed decision as a result.
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oliverg
Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 800 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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I don't think HD-DVD will ever totally die. But BR will definitely become totally dominant. Its the old point about us (4% of the market) enthusiasts not really having much impact on the end result - because 96% are the every day mainstream that don't like the multi lettered acronyms and find it much easier to say "bluray". Clever Sony.
HD-DVD remains a relatively inexpensive platform to deploy high def content on.
I love my dual format player
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greg_mitch
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| WanMan wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | WanMan wrote: | | Even if it is temporary for any studio the net effect on the consumers with little awareness beyond a headline will get them to move on a decision that might ultimately tip a scale farther. In fact, I am a perfect example in that tday I chose not to buy a second HD DVD player. |
I don't know...I think consumers with little awareness could care less.
The thing that will really matter is when they go to purchase movies and realize that they are mostly in Blu Ray.
I don't think you can use yourself as an example if you are on a forum talking about this.  |
You are forgetting someone, young grasshopper. If I know this I proactively tell those that are more ignorant on such things and promote information distribution. Thus, they learn [from me] and make a better informed decision as a result. |
Oh I thought when you said consumers I thought you meant as a whole, not just those you can spread information to or those that have a friend who is an A/V geek like us who can spread information to.
Maybe my wife will stop calling blu ray "boo ray". I need to tell her that I need a new player.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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More news:
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UPDATE: (3:10am ET, 1/05/08) Variety is reporting that Warner sister company New Line has confirmed that it too plans to shift to Blu-ray exclusivity.
Though it's widely expected that Warner Bros. subsidiaries New Line and HBO will follow Warner Home Entertainment to Blu-ray exclusivity, for the moment they remain format-agnostic.
That's according to Warner Home Entertainment President Kevin Tsujihara, who said that the studio's announcement that it would drop HD DVD support does not extend to titles released by New Line, HBO or the BBC (which Warner distributes here in the US).
"They'll be making whatever decision they're going to make," said Tsujihara. "I assume they'll let people know very quickly, but they are not covered by this initial announcement."
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Warner: No Payoff for Move to Blu-ray
Warner Home Entertainment President Kevin Tsujihara says the studio took no pay-offs to exclusively back Blu-ray.
In a post-announcement conference call, Tsujihara flatly denied rumors that studio had accepted anywhere from 250M to $500M in exchange for dropping its HD DVD format support.
According to the exec, Warner's sole motivation in dropping its HD DVD format support was to ensure growth of the "category" and the long-term health of the industry.
"The packaged media business is a $42 billion dollar business worldwide at the retail level, and we [Warner] have the largest market share of anybody," said Tsujihara. "From our perspective, the most important piece of this whole puzzle is, "How do we get growth back into this category?" That far outweighed anything else."
This [decision] was one hundred percent around what makes the most sense for the consumer, the retailer and the industry. This was not a bidding war. This was all about what was best, strategically, for us."
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greg_mitch
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This [decision] was one hundred percent around what makes the most sense for the consumer, the retailer and the industry. This was not a bidding war. This was all about what was best, strategically, for us."[/i] |
He contradicts himself here.
First he says the decision is what was best for consumers. Then he says it was based around what was best for the company.
Those are hardly the same thing.
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WanMan
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Does it really matter? How many studios does that leave doing HD DVD exclusively? Of course, with the HD DVD forum canceling their pre-CES announcement I wonder how the standards body will feel (limp dicked?) once the market (studios) have spoken. Hey, maybe they can grow some balls and say, "we were wrong, and we are reversing our decision to make BD the next DVD standard ..." ok, enough dreaming.
And there is nothing to keep Warner, or anyone else, from reversing course 12-months down the line.
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26706 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: | Does it really matter? How many studios does that leave doing HD DVD exclusively? Of course, with the HD DVD forum canceling their pre-CES announcement I wonder how the standards body will feel (limp dicked?) once the market (studios) have spoken. Hey, maybe they can grow some balls and say, "we were wrong, and we are reversing our decision to make BD the next DVD standard ..." ok, enough dreaming.
And there is nothing to keep Warner, or anyone else, from reversing course 12-months down the line. |
Sure there is; stubborn pride.
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rod
Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 418 Location: Northern Ontario, Canada
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| zaphod wrote: | | i knew it. as soon as i bought my HD-DVD a few months back i knew that Blu-ray would win out |
If it's any conselation I am glad it was you and not me. I would have popped when Future Shop had them on for $99 but I didn't see the sale until too late.
And I wouldn't give up on HD-DVD too quickly. Microsoft has deep pockets.
This just might just start the cut-throating, eye-gouging, hair-pulling, ankle-biting price wars those corporated suits will likely engage in. Sit back a get the popcorn out!
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rod
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| papalek wrote: | It looks to me like a back door deal with Sony.
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Looks like you're zoned in on Endawgz's avatars as well. Hell we all are - aren't we? and without trying to hi-jack the thread but while on the subject, I think Z needs an update.
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WanMan
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I don't have avatars enabled--nor signatures.
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Chuck27
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 379 Location: Caledon Township, Ontario
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| greg_mitch wrote: |
First he says the decision is what was best for consumers. Then he says it was based around what was best for the company.
Those are hardly the same thing. |
The man is an executive with a large company. He gets paid to do the right thing for the shareholders, i.e., the company. If the consumers happen to benefit thereby and thus increase the company's fortunes, he is judged successful. But make no mistake, for people in positions like that, the company ALWAYS comes first.
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greg_mitch
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| Chuck27 wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: |
First he says the decision is what was best for consumers. Then he says it was based around what was best for the company.
Those are hardly the same thing. |
The man is an executive with a large company. He gets paid to do the right thing for the shareholders, i.e., the company. If the consumers happen to benefit thereby and thus increase the company's fortunes, he is judged successful. But make no mistake, for people in positions like that, the company ALWAYS comes first.
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That is not what I said and I am sick of hearing about this. I never said he should have done what is best for me.
Warner is trying to say they are doing what is best for me. I think they did what is best for the company and I don't fault them for it. I just want them to stop saying that they did what was best for consumers.
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zaphod
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| rod wrote: | | papalek wrote: | It looks to me like a back door deal with Sony.
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Looks like you're zoned in on Endawgz's avatars as well. Hell we all are - aren't we? and without trying to hi-jack the thread but while on the subject, I think Z needs an update. |
dunno. yeah, i need a player update (blu-ray-ectomy?) but i don't know nuttin' about no Emdawgz avatars - 1 turned off avatars a long time ago.
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emdawgz1
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| zaphod wrote: | | rod wrote: | | papalek wrote: | It looks to me like a back door deal with Sony.
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Looks like you're zoned in on Endawgz's avatars as well. Hell we all are - aren't we? and without trying to hi-jack the thread but while on the subject, I think Z needs an update. |
dunno. yeah, i need a player update (blu-ray-ectomy?) but i don't know nuttin' about no Emdawgz avatars - 1 turned off avatars a long time ago. |
I didnt know i offended sooo many....... sorry
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zaphod
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no offense taken. i didn't turn off just yours, i turned off everyones if i had wanted you to stop posting them (or stop keeping up that thread - if you still do) i'd have asked you to stop. but that's not my place. i make decisions for me, not for other people.
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