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cmjohnson
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: Opinions wanted: HDMI input card or HD Fury? (Marquee) |
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OK, I know that at the moment, Moome's HDMI input card for Marquees is sold out...
But, when/if it becomes available again, I have a choice to make: Get that input card or get an
HD Fury. But the question is, which is better? The Moome card costs more, of course.
Your opinion is wanted, particularly if you've had a chance to play with both of these solutions.
CJ
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mp20748
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I've had both to play with in my 8500. I now own a Moome slot 2 HDMI, and it's the best option/external device to happen for the Marquee (CRT).
The Fury is a nice economical Digital to analog converter, but it's not on the same shelf as the Moome card. So I would say that the price difference is very representative of the differences.
The Fury is a DVI converter, and I don't like DVI conversion, but It's also one that I could easily live with.
The Moome is a true HDMI converter, that I think is a must for the higher end CRT's.
My .02
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Gino
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Not to say the HD fury isn't very good at what it does, but as an owner of both I agree with Mike.
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stefuel
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This is confusing. I have a thread asking just about the same question and was directed to a "EE" thread in the moome section of the forum. There you will see screen shots of test patterns from both devices. The moome clearly shows some sort of EE or ringing or bluming to the right while the HD Fury shows a perfectly clean image. I'm about to pull the trigger on one of these devices but now I'm not sure. Could Mike and Gino please explain a bit more here.
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WanMan
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For some of us, the HD Fury wasn't a purchase for digital-to-analog, but a solution to viewing protected digital content on our analog display devices. So, its more than just a DA device. 
Of course, I am not saying anything about other devices. The EE Stefuel mentions and the lack of gamma might be things worth investigating.
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Tom.W
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Curt Palme
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I'd like more opinions on this thread from those that have used both. I get about 6 emails and calls asking this exact question, and I always refer them to the forum. I'll make this thread (yet another) sticky if need be.
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Tom.W
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DVI bandwidth and specs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI
HDMI bandwidth and specs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
I think there are advantages with a built in card but unfortunately my Barco's require an external converter.
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stefuel
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Well if the truth lies within the test patterns, which some here spend more time viewing then video, then look at the screen shots from the "EE" thread and post your opinions back here. I'm not knocking the moome product but I'm not convinced that bigger and more expensive translates into better.
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Tom.W
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I have four HDMI to RGB converters here all external. I prefer Moonjongs card as it has a very good internal scaler and very clean power supply but no longer available. The fury comes in second along with an older external Moome card that has the benefit of one additional component input. I only use test patterns for setting up the projector. The fury has the best bang for the buck in my opinion.
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GEBrown
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| stefuel wrote: | | This is confusing. I have a thread asking just about the same question and was directed to a "EE" thread in the moome section of the forum. There you will see screen shots of test patterns from both devices. The moome clearly shows some sort of EE or ringing or bluming to the right while the HD Fury shows a perfectly clean image. I'm about to pull the trigger on one of these devices but now I'm not sure. Could Mike and Gino please explain a bit more here. |
I have been lightly following the EE thread and don't remember every post, but I believe the device in question there is Moome's EXT-HD and NOT his internal HDMI/Component Marquee card. It is this second card that I believe CMJohnson was asking about, not the external box.
I'm unaware of any EE problems with the internal card (I have one), but like I said, I don't recall every post I have read here.
So in Moome's defense, we need to be very specific about which of his MANY products we are talking about.
FWIW, I had the older Marquee Moome card and then bought the new HDMI card when the next to last batch came out. The old card was very good and this new card was noticeably better from the first power up of my PJ with the new card installed.
Of course, YMMV, IMHO, etc, etc , etc!!
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draganm
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| GEBrown wrote: | | So in Moome's defense, we need to be very specific about which of his MANY products we are talking about. |
Gary makes a good point, I have the internal Marquee card also and I have never seen any EE, ringing, artifacts, or other problems. I have been using it now for weeks and it is an exceptional product, the pic quality is the best i have ever seen out of my Marquee, absolutely stunning.
If you have a marquee and have a chance to get the internal card, then do it. If you can't wait for the next batch,have something other than a Marquee or sony, or are simply on a tight budget then get the fury.
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Gino
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| stefuel wrote: | | This is confusing. I have a thread asking just about the same question and was directed to a "EE" thread in the moome section of the forum. There you will see screen shots of test patterns from both devices. The moome clearly shows some sort of EE or ringing or bluming to the right while the HD Fury shows a perfectly clean image. I'm about to pull the trigger on one of these devices but now I'm not sure. Could Mike and Gino please explain a bit more here. |
Hi Chip, sorry I wasn't more clear, but I was referring to the internal HDMI cards. I have not noticed EE or ringing or blooming on either of mine. (I believe MP was also talking about the internal card, I don't think he is using the external moome)
I assumed CJ was trying to choose between the internal moome and the HD Fury.
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Tom.W
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This part of the HDMI 1.3 spec is interesting.
Quote:
Devices are manufactured to adhere to various versions of the specification, where each version is given a number, such as 1.0 or 1.3. Each subsequent version of the specification uses the same cables, but increases the throughput and/or capabilities of what can be transmitted over the cable. For example, previously, the maximum pixel clock rate of the interface was 165 MHz, sufficient for supporting 1080p at 60 Hz or WUXGA (1920x1200), but HDMI 1.3 increased that to 340 MHz, providing support for WQXGA (2560x1600) and beyond across a single digital link.
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mp20748
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I zoomed in on an area of the Sony test pattern to show how clean my Moome card looks on my setup.
Moome Marquee HDMI (Internal) card for slot two from Marquee 8500 @ 1080P
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kal
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| GEBrown wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | This is confusing. I have a thread asking just about the same question and was directed to a "EE" thread in the moome section of the forum. There you will see screen shots of test patterns from both devices. The moome clearly shows some sort of EE or ringing or bluming to the right while the HD Fury shows a perfectly clean image. I'm about to pull the trigger on one of these devices but now I'm not sure. Could Mike and Gino please explain a bit more here. |
I have been lightly following the EE thread and don't remember every post, but I believe the device in question there is Moome's EXT-HD and NOT his internal HDMI/Component Marquee card. It is this second card that I believe CMJohnson was asking about, not the external box.
I'm unaware of any EE problems with the internal card (I have one), but like I said, I don't recall every post I have read here. |
Correct. It is only the very first batch of Moome EXT-HD external boxes that have the ringing problem because the manufacturer substituted some incorrect parts that Moome didn't ask for (6 diodes to be exact). That batch will all be fixed at Moome's expense of course and the subsequent batches will not have this problem.
Moome's internal HDMI cards for Marquee and Sony have never had this problem (as Mike Parker's screenshot above shows).
For what it's worth, a new batch of Moome Sony and Marquee HDMI cards is now available again. There are 30 of each, first come, first served. See here. Moome tells me they'll ship in about a month.
Kal
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Blinx123
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Hi guys. I've a question according the HDFury. Is it using Single-Link or Dual-Link? Would be of much interest since Dual-Link DVI can output nearly the same high resolution as HDMI 1.3 can.
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